Saw this new picture of the new G-Wagon
It doesn't look as tough as before
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7367
It doesn't look as tough as before
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7367
New G-Class Lost it Tough Look
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Spywear on the above listed web site!!!!!
Spybot-S&D detected a spywear called "Avenue A, Inc" that was trying to download onto my computer when I went to the listed website. Spybot said it was a "Known Threat" Better check your computers for spywear if you visited the site!!!Spybot is free!
It is avaliable thru
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html
I got it from www.download.com (Free)and use it when I feel necessary.
I do not normally encourage anyone to do this but spywear is not one of my favorite hidden threats.
I recently bought a new HP printer and it had spywear hidden in an upgrade.
Spybot-S&D detected a spywear called "Avenue A, Inc" that was trying to download onto my computer when I went to the listed website. Spybot said it was a "Known Threat" Better check your computers for spywear if you visited the site!!!Spybot is free!
It is avaliable thru
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html
I got it from www.download.com (Free)and use it when I feel necessary.
I do not normally encourage anyone to do this but spywear is not one of my favorite hidden threats.
I recently bought a new HP printer and it had spywear hidden in an upgrade.
all the more reason to buy a mac (apple), they're pretty immune to windows-defiiciencies.
having said that, i suspect MB of Deutschland will take the design of the "new G" back in-house a few years after it starts production in AL, re-design it (a bit like what happened with the ML..in 2001 i think) and start production in Graz.
Then again i might be wrong, and i realllllly wish mercedes would be a company to learn from their mistakes.
having said that, i suspect MB of Deutschland will take the design of the "new G" back in-house a few years after it starts production in AL, re-design it (a bit like what happened with the ML..in 2001 i think) and start production in Graz.
Then again i might be wrong, and i realllllly wish mercedes would be a company to learn from their mistakes.
One of the main reasons that production of the new "G" is being moved to Alabamastan is that MagnaSteyr, the contract vehicle manufacturer that owns and operates the plant in Graz, wanted the space for more profitable products - read Chrysler T&C MiniVan and Jeep Grand Cherokee.
On your first comment, the new Mozilla Firefox browser is also pretty much immune to all the adware, popups and viruses. It's a Windows program. Since I switched, I haven't had a single one of those annoying problems, and it's blazingly fast compared to MSIE.
RE: New G-Class Lost it Tough Look - it is the compulstion to repeat what is not accepted.
A while back, in Dutch's supersized reply and editorial page, there was listed a quote that spoke to the issue of humans who fail to comprehend history - tend to repeat it. History that is usually "bad" and traumatic, or filled with Angst tends to be pushed from consciousness to rise again later. The Gwagen has never been fully accepted by DB, and represents something to be fogotten by many wtihin the company - i.e. a source of angst and torment to be driven underground.
Repeating a history of mistakes is known as the compulsion to repeat the painful parts of history, personal or corporate. I publish a professional journal dedicated to the notion that disliked, painful, and trauma events are prone to first denial and avoidance, but then give rise to obligatory (compulsion) desires of repetition and re-enactment, usually with less than salutary consequencies. Large corporations like DB, I mean DC, are just as much subject to the same patterns of human conduct as are individuals who struggle with unaccepted, unprocessed, undigested, and unrecognized mistakes, failures, and general episodes of error.
The errors committed in the process of rejecting an evolutionary design change in the G, as with most MB autos, is realy a reflection of this denial of the value of the G product, its history, as well as the interest and desire of the public who are vested in this product.
It is part of the human condition to follow one preceived error with an even bigger real error, and I suspect, those of us "true" Gwagen onwners/appreciators will simply have to come to terms with this fact. DC will make more mistakes before getting this whole thing ironed out.
The second part of this formula of denial and compulsion is usually not witnessed immediately, but today as I was looking at the Detroit Auto Show offerings, I noticed that Jeep (one of DC's products) is offering a Wrangler sized pickup which appears to have been given mantel of the old Gwagen, to carry into the marketplace, where mass production methods, cost control measures, market niche, and all of the other factors that create profitability, are very likely part of this choice. On the other hand, this Jeep product is not yet ready for prime time, and may there may still be a failure on the part of DC to actually offer this vehicle. The new compulsive failure would be not to offer something, but an associated failure has already occurred, that is, to deny the Mercedes linage. This mistake springs from the early rejection of the G in the first place, as a "true" reflecting the corporate image. Truly, something spiritual about Mercedes-Benz, from G-3, G-4, G-5, to Gwagen, is being lost in the process. I doubt anyone will give much notice by 2007, but I feel a great opportunity to carry on a tradition is being lost. Shame!
A while back, in Dutch's supersized reply and editorial page, there was listed a quote that spoke to the issue of humans who fail to comprehend history - tend to repeat it. History that is usually "bad" and traumatic, or filled with Angst tends to be pushed from consciousness to rise again later. The Gwagen has never been fully accepted by DB, and represents something to be fogotten by many wtihin the company - i.e. a source of angst and torment to be driven underground.
Repeating a history of mistakes is known as the compulsion to repeat the painful parts of history, personal or corporate. I publish a professional journal dedicated to the notion that disliked, painful, and trauma events are prone to first denial and avoidance, but then give rise to obligatory (compulsion) desires of repetition and re-enactment, usually with less than salutary consequencies. Large corporations like DB, I mean DC, are just as much subject to the same patterns of human conduct as are individuals who struggle with unaccepted, unprocessed, undigested, and unrecognized mistakes, failures, and general episodes of error.
The errors committed in the process of rejecting an evolutionary design change in the G, as with most MB autos, is realy a reflection of this denial of the value of the G product, its history, as well as the interest and desire of the public who are vested in this product.
It is part of the human condition to follow one preceived error with an even bigger real error, and I suspect, those of us "true" Gwagen onwners/appreciators will simply have to come to terms with this fact. DC will make more mistakes before getting this whole thing ironed out.
The second part of this formula of denial and compulsion is usually not witnessed immediately, but today as I was looking at the Detroit Auto Show offerings, I noticed that Jeep (one of DC's products) is offering a Wrangler sized pickup which appears to have been given mantel of the old Gwagen, to carry into the marketplace, where mass production methods, cost control measures, market niche, and all of the other factors that create profitability, are very likely part of this choice. On the other hand, this Jeep product is not yet ready for prime time, and may there may still be a failure on the part of DC to actually offer this vehicle. The new compulsive failure would be not to offer something, but an associated failure has already occurred, that is, to deny the Mercedes linage. This mistake springs from the early rejection of the G in the first place, as a "true" reflecting the corporate image. Truly, something spiritual about Mercedes-Benz, from G-3, G-4, G-5, to Gwagen, is being lost in the process. I doubt anyone will give much notice by 2007, but I feel a great opportunity to carry on a tradition is being lost. Shame!
internet exploder is just a bad idea
i dont want to sound rabid about it because all the web browsers have their problems and can be fixed with proper configuration (at least until the next poblem is found) but IE is just... bad software.
its worth it to switch to something less problematic like firefox, or mozilla or opera. which run under any OS.
and in most cases is more stable, with more features.
i dont want to sound rabid about it because all the web browsers have their problems and can be fixed with proper configuration (at least until the next poblem is found) but IE is just... bad software.
its worth it to switch to something less problematic like firefox, or mozilla or opera. which run under any OS.
and in most cases is more stable, with more features.
Sorry, message got away while proofing it -dang!
My last epistle slipped away and became posted while I was proofing it. To summarize, there seem to be many reasons MB failed to make evolutionary changes to the G., say a 464 model. The radical change that is being made, is too much for many owners, 'cause we do like the mature look and form = function appearance, not to mention the G's actual abilities as a vehicle.
ts
My last epistle slipped away and became posted while I was proofing it. To summarize, there seem to be many reasons MB failed to make evolutionary changes to the G., say a 464 model. The radical change that is being made, is too much for many owners, 'cause we do like the mature look and form = function appearance, not to mention the G's actual abilities as a vehicle.
ts
these things will happen wether we like it or not, unfortunately.
true enthusiasts make up what part of the consumer base? 2-4% maybe. it's happening with bmw, volkswagen, and mercedes. the mk4 volkswagens were two miles off what us vw people know as being real volkswagens, bmw started making a vehicle (x5,x3) that you cant really take off road and on the road it doesn't handle like a bmw, land rover now offers a line up of vehicles that exclude solid axles up front not to mention the range stormer?!?! i am one for the evolution of design and engineering, but some things you just shouldn't mess with. i.e. heritage and capability. i dont think the new G is evolution in the capability of the vehicle. the new G is just another example of auto manufacturers catering to the ego centric majority who want yet another show piece in their stable. my two cents.
true enthusiasts make up what part of the consumer base? 2-4% maybe. it's happening with bmw, volkswagen, and mercedes. the mk4 volkswagens were two miles off what us vw people know as being real volkswagens, bmw started making a vehicle (x5,x3) that you cant really take off road and on the road it doesn't handle like a bmw, land rover now offers a line up of vehicles that exclude solid axles up front not to mention the range stormer?!?! i am one for the evolution of design and engineering, but some things you just shouldn't mess with. i.e. heritage and capability. i dont think the new G is evolution in the capability of the vehicle. the new G is just another example of auto manufacturers catering to the ego centric majority who want yet another show piece in their stable. my two cents.
Without going totally crazy with over intellectualizing: The ancient Greeks had a neat concept called “the Golden Age theory� everything was better in the past: it seems like this is a part of human nature: a natural conservatism; a dislike of change. There was a huge outcry when English sports cars started appearing with windscreens instead of the old fly screen; the same thing happened when the chassis was replaced by integral bodies.
And then…
There some things you cant improve on – form and function: a tea spoon and a Purdy (1900ish) shotgun and even the “G� But what do accountants know or care about form and function or heritage and quality?
And then…
There some things you cant improve on – form and function: a tea spoon and a Purdy (1900ish) shotgun and even the “G� But what do accountants know or care about form and function or heritage and quality?
RE: New G-Class Lost it Tough Look - Read the latest STAR - the organ of MBCA.
Well, in the light of day, the theory I was trying to spin, had to do with the long history of the G. It dates back to two world wars, a very dark history. And one that is perhaps largely unexamined. Not that is essentially necessary. However, that issue, and the failure to ask consumers what they wanted, seem married in the process that makes up Mercedes Benz. Another bit of data is the recent Star Mag. - the MB Club of America news letter. The interview by the President Richard Simmons (not the exercise person), and the Customer Relations person for MBNA, demonstrate just why MBNA is falling behind. I found the interview (presented in the STAR and in edited form) to reflect the worse of management styles you can imagine. The customer is faceless, and without representation when it comes to MBNA. This item underscores my contention that they are removed and in total denial. A new wave of thinking needs to happen at MBNA before anything will get better. I wish them well, and will likely just live with the successes of the past as best I can, and until they get things fixed. I encourage everyone here to find and read the latest STAR issue.
Well, in the light of day, the theory I was trying to spin, had to do with the long history of the G. It dates back to two world wars, a very dark history. And one that is perhaps largely unexamined. Not that is essentially necessary. However, that issue, and the failure to ask consumers what they wanted, seem married in the process that makes up Mercedes Benz. Another bit of data is the recent Star Mag. - the MB Club of America news letter. The interview by the President Richard Simmons (not the exercise person), and the Customer Relations person for MBNA, demonstrate just why MBNA is falling behind. I found the interview (presented in the STAR and in edited form) to reflect the worse of management styles you can imagine. The customer is faceless, and without representation when it comes to MBNA. This item underscores my contention that they are removed and in total denial. A new wave of thinking needs to happen at MBNA before anything will get better. I wish them well, and will likely just live with the successes of the past as best I can, and until they get things fixed. I encourage everyone here to find and read the latest STAR issue.
I still hold out a glimmer of hope that the spy pictures we've seen, which go by the internal name of X164, is actually a new member of the ML (W164) family which features a third row of seating and better off-road capability. I think MB might not call it a G as all the industry journalists have been speculating.
Some observations I've made. I myself saw the new 2006 ML undergoing hot weather testing in Dubai this past summer. Some of my friends also saw another vehicle, smaller than the ML but still an SUV...it wasn't the new B-Class. This would indicate that there is at least one variant, a smaller ML to compete with the X3, in the works. Why not assume that the larger vehicle that has been photographed, which looks much more like an ML than a new G-Class, is just a larger ML with 3 rows of seating.
Another interesting fact is that G-Class sales are at their peak right now. Every single vehicle being built is being sold and production cannot be increased. The G55 Kompressor seems to have done well despite the high price. We all know that production is ending, but are we sure that a replacement is necessarily in the works? Maybe the G-Class name will be mothballed for some time until a suitable replacement is viable for Mercedes.
Even if that's not what happens, and a new "G-Class" which is just a fat ML comes to market sometime in 2006...I know the resale value of my W463 will increase...at least here in Dubai where 7-10 G55 Kompressors are being sold every month by my local dealer (who by the way says that demand for the G-Class is higher now than it's ever been, despite crazy prices due to a high euro). The strong demand for the G55 Kompressor is being driven by fears of an unworthy successor.
Some observations I've made. I myself saw the new 2006 ML undergoing hot weather testing in Dubai this past summer. Some of my friends also saw another vehicle, smaller than the ML but still an SUV...it wasn't the new B-Class. This would indicate that there is at least one variant, a smaller ML to compete with the X3, in the works. Why not assume that the larger vehicle that has been photographed, which looks much more like an ML than a new G-Class, is just a larger ML with 3 rows of seating.
Another interesting fact is that G-Class sales are at their peak right now. Every single vehicle being built is being sold and production cannot be increased. The G55 Kompressor seems to have done well despite the high price. We all know that production is ending, but are we sure that a replacement is necessarily in the works? Maybe the G-Class name will be mothballed for some time until a suitable replacement is viable for Mercedes.
Even if that's not what happens, and a new "G-Class" which is just a fat ML comes to market sometime in 2006...I know the resale value of my W463 will increase...at least here in Dubai where 7-10 G55 Kompressors are being sold every month by my local dealer (who by the way says that demand for the G-Class is higher now than it's ever been, despite crazy prices due to a high euro). The strong demand for the G55 Kompressor is being driven by fears of an unworthy successor.
Dubai has a population of just over 1m if i'm not mistaken, expected to hit 4m in a few more years, due to an unprecedented property/economy boom. Years ago if you drove around in a G it would be treated as something of an ugly duckling, perhaps because only those people fortunate enough to drive it knew of its off-road prowess and build quality. Nowadays however, you can find one (normally more) in the stable of most VIPs and high-ranking govt people, seeing as the minister of defence drives around in one, you get instantaneous respect at most places, and can get away with things you're not supposed to get away with 
another reason for it's popularity is that many of the VIPs like desert sports (like falconing/hunting) and the G is very well suited for that, with a lot of space inside to keep rifles and gear (most used Gs here have gun holsters and multiple phone kits inside!)
There is no G-club that i'm aware of, but i remember in the old days seeing groups of blond europeans (no offence) going out for trips in 3 or 4 Gs.
another reason for it's popularity is that many of the VIPs like desert sports (like falconing/hunting) and the G is very well suited for that, with a lot of space inside to keep rifles and gear (most used Gs here have gun holsters and multiple phone kits inside!)
There is no G-club that i'm aware of, but i remember in the old days seeing groups of blond europeans (no offence) going out for trips in 3 or 4 Gs.
The G-Wagon is also know for its strength and protection. I can't imagine an armored M-Class.
Chuck
Chuck
i doubt they gonna make an armor ML. When people look at the G-class, they know "this car might be armored". But ML, nah...doesn't look too tough. Unless they don't want people to know that car is armored.
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