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Hello,

I am interested in getting a Mercedes S600 as I have wanted a car with a V12 engine for a long time.

I was wondering if any one can give me some points to watch out for this car. Common faults etc...

The one I am looking at at the moment is a 05/1995 S600 V12 with 380,000km (236k miles roughly). But I know been a Mercedes will probably be good for another 250k miles.

Been a V12 I know the MPG wont be that good but I belve 15-20 MPG will be about right. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Please give me your opinions.

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That's got to be one of the higher mileage V12's identified on this Forum. Not to say you're wrong in thinking the engine can't go another 250k miles, MB engineered the motor to last, but the other components are not as strong as the motor.

The transmission, for one. The one you're looking at is equipped with the 4-speed tranny, one known needing rebuilding every 100-120k miles, so you may be looking at that coming up.

Like anything else, if the car has been maintained and you have solid proof of that in the paperwork that comes with the car, you can make a judgement.

But really take a good look at the car: the seats might need new leather, espeically at the wear points. The headliner could be falling down. The front headlights might look sandblasted from the mileage. Restoring a car is not the same as driving it off the seller's lot/driveway.

I would make sure I have the resources before making the plunge. It could be a very costly acquisition for you. In terms of time, money, and patience.

Good luck!
 

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Thank you for the input.

Are there any obvious signs of tranny where I can look out for other than rattle and burnt tranny oil?

The seats are like a sofa there are a few cracks where the legs go and to the left side of the seat I imagen wear from entering the car. Front lights are glass and look new. Rear lights could do with a new seal etc... as there is humidity in there.

What is the part number for the 4 speed tranny for this model.

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Let me put this in perspective for you:

I started with what I considered was a car in pretty good shape, the PO was a car collector. While the acquisition price was 'fair' at $15k, I spent quite a bit over that bringing it back to what I would call 'certified pre-owned', which I found not as easy to do as you might think.

Even though the car had less than 80k miles on it when I bought it, it needed quite a bit to get it to what I considered daily driveable.

I have a very competent indie mechanic who came with me on the pre-purchase inspection. My main criteria was that the car was clean and there were no accidents with it, which was confirmed. Many of the things needing attention were dealt with by my indie, but the more exotic stuff, like air bladders in the seats, trim details, headliner replacement couldn't be done by an indie and needed to be taken to the dealer or specialists.

Depends what you want out of the car how much you need to do to it. I would be careful with a car having that kind of mileage. The leather seats alone are enormously expensive to replace (with new stock).

Just FYI.
 

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Just my 02 cents I'd be surprised you'll get 15 - 20mpg, perhaps 12 - 15 in town?
 

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Don't buy it unless you own a shipping company. With this I mean you are RICH. This car is a piece of crap and could cost you ten's of thousands of dollars. The wiring harness is 12k just for the part. Also this engine has two of everything. This was back in the day when the took two straight six motors and put them together to get a v12.
As it is up to you but these cars are just boat anchors now
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With those miles I'd pass. There are plenty of cheap 600s to be found and there is a good reason. It is sad actually. These cars were very expensive when new and so many have been treated badly. Unless this car has a service history thick as a phone book I'd walk away.
 

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You can do a search for the weak points. They have been discussed on here many times. The one thing that I do have to say to you is to really think hard before you buy any 600. It really is not a car for a first time Benz owner or for someone who either can't do the work himself or isn't on good terms with an independent mechanic. Don't get me wrong, the S600 and 600SEL are wonderful cars but they were around $140,000 in the nineties and even though you will spend less to buy one they will cost a lot to repair. A new engine for example is around $30,000.

If you have your heart set on a W140 I would suggest an S500.
 

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I must agree with most of the comments above. i have owned my s500 for just over 3 years and havent yet attemted a v12. they are a different animal to the v8,s and 6 cylinder models. but dont be fooled into thinking these lesser models are a cheap option they are far from it.
read the threads on here and you will learn this.no one here is trying to put you of ownership im sure. my previous mb was and still is a w126 380sel which i thought was the best car i have ever owned. then i bought the s500 without even driving it and within 5 mins realised how dated the w126 is, dont get me wrong i still love my 380 sel but the w140 is a totally different thing alltogether.
have a look at more than one in your search and buy the best you can afford
good luck. and let us know what you buy.
 

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I must agree with most of the comments above. i have owned my s500 for just over 3 years and havent yet attemted a v12. they are a different animal to the v8,s and 6 cylinder models. but dont be fooled into thinking these lesser models are a cheap option they are far from it.
read the threads on here and you will learn this.no one here is trying to put you of ownership im sure. my previous mb was and still is a w126 380sel which i thought was the best car i have ever owned. then i bought the s500 without even driving it and within 5 mins realised how dated the w126 is, dont get me wrong i still love my 380 sel but the w140 is a totally different thing alltogether.
have a look at more than one in your search and buy the best you can afford
good luck. and let us know what you buy.
LoL Silver ,you have done exactly what i did , From the 380 wich i tought was the Best too, then straight into the 500 without Testdriving it ,just board it for the Looks when i 1st saw my S500 advertised,ended up beeing the Best Car on the Road .The Day i pick't her up was the funniest ever as the Dealer turn't on the Window Demister thinking it was the AC ( instead it was for the Windscreen ) ,and beeing a new Car to me i drove all the way back Home with the Hot air on all the way, as i didnt know what Button to Press ,this was in Summer ,i was sweating my A*@# off ,never will forget that ,LoL. ( there is more to it but dosnt belong here )

As for an Advise to our Newcomer here:
As the other's already mentioned but i'd would go for an S500 for 1st Tiime Benz Owner to, now i would be happy to buy a S600 Series not for the extra Power but the addded extra Gadjets etc .
Ciao :thumbsup:
 

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LOL indeed
you could do what ive done and add some 600 mods yourself
just added a 600 interior which is totally different got the rear electic headrests working and the rear shelf blind working. just gotta do the heated rear seats now.
still love the 380 sel though :)
 

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LOL indeed
you could do what ive done and add some 600 mods yourself
just added a 600 interior which is totally different got the rear electic headrests working and the rear shelf blind working. just gotta do the heated rear seats now.
still love the 380 sel though :)
There are No S600 here for Wrecking otherwise trust me I would .
Yeah Love the W126 to but m over with that i like to see them around me thats all ,LOL.
It's amazing when you Pull up next to one how Different they reallly are , not talking about Heads turning ,LoL.
Ciao :thumbsup:
Aah,dont forget the Pics ,i'm sure everyone would like to see ,but in a New Thread otherwise we would be Highjacking this one ,wich we just did ,LoL
 

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Those miles seem very high - I'm sure the drivetrain would be sound but there might be lots of work required for suspension and I'm sure the interior will be well worn by this stage.

I don't know what the purchase price of this car is - but generally it seems to be that you either pay now or pay later with these cars. If you're buying the car to tinker with in your garage then you might as well go for it if you can get it cheap.

But if you're just going to have to send it to your mechanic to have it sorted it then you might as well pay up front for a lower mileage example. Age and miles catch up with everything on the road - personally I wouldn't buy a car that had more than 200,000km's unless there was something special about it.

If you do end up buying this car service history will be the main factor you'll want to consider.
 

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I haven't read anybody's replies but I figured I'd come and b**** about my own W140 nightmare… I recently bought a 1992 600sel with 34,200 miles since new. Never crashed, pristine, blah, blah, blah. Well After driving the car about 3 miles the water pump went out (cost a total of $1300 to replace [need I mention I did all the work myself?]), the a/c has a terrible rumbling sound when its on, the door pressure locks don't work… get the picture? The seller of this car made it sound perfect, and with 5 miles of driving the thing is already a pain in the a$$…to say the very least. With that said though, I am very glad I got the V-12 engine. The V-8's and 6's just lack severely in the power department, but that is my opinion only. I'm sure there will be ten people saying don't buy a V-12 b/c of gas mileage, maintenance costs, etc but I will never buy another V-8 MB ever. Simply put the V-12 is like a trophy wife, bloody expensive, but wonderful. And the power/sound/feeling that the V-12 gives you is simply wonderful. The V-8 is merely an engine; the V-12 is a work of art.
Anyway that's my $.02 worth.
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doesnt sound like a bad car.........it sounds like a horrible pre purchase inspection. A water pump doesnt go out in 3 miles. It was already out, as well as the other things mentioned.
 

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Yeah, did you test drive this thing before buying it? One of my test for a car is to let it idle for 20 minutes and watch the temp. I know the V12 puts out a lot of heat but if the water pump was bad it would have been the first thing to see.
 

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Yikes if there is one mercedes i tell people to stay away from it's any 600. One with that many miles i would stay far far away
 

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Yikes if there is one mercedes i tell people to stay away from it's any 600. One with that many miles i would stay far far away
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LoL,I think there was a 600 on the Moon ,i could just see it with my Telescope but now its gone,still tooooo close, it must be this one here wich came back from beeng rejected.
Ciao :thumbsup:
 

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Yeah, did you test drive this thing before buying it? One of my test for a car is to let it idle for 20 minutes and watch the temp. I know the V12 puts out a lot of heat but if the water pump was bad it would have been the first thing to see.
I bought it from New York [off of ebay] so I did not test drive it. With such low miles I figured nothing would be wrong. But I did get it in the color I wanted which was very hard to find, and I'm proud to own it. Yes, the water pump issue is a PITA, but overall its a great car. :)
 
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