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Hello everybody

I'm going to start a new project
i got a w201 190 2.0 from 1984
and drove it as a daily for 4 years
now it is time to give it some real power

i bought a w140 600 sel donor car

here is a video as an intro for the project

 

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Hello everybody

I'm going to start a new project
i got a w201 190 2.0 from 1984
and drove it as a daily for 4 years
now it is time to give it some real power

i bought a w140 600 sel donor car

here is a video as an intro for the project

https://youtu.be/ubMBXgtrYrc
This should be an interesting swap, I wish you luck with it.

You may need to get a 190E 2.6 core support though or you may run out of room. Not sure what else is involved but usually people start with the 2.6 chassis when they want to add a bigger engine. You might also want to upgrade the brakes and suspension to handle the bigger motor and extra power but I'm sure you knew that.

Nice cars and car lift by the way.
 

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This should be an interesting swap, I wish you luck with it.

You may need to get a 190E 2.6 core support though or you may run out of room. Not sure what else is involved but usually people start with the 2.6 chassis when they want to add a bigger engine. You might also want to upgrade the brakes and suspension to handle the bigger motor and extra power but I'm sure you knew that.

Nice cars and car lift by the way.
what do you mean by the core support? the frame connection under the engine from left chassis beam to the right chassis beam? near the oil sump
it will be modified because the oil sump of the m120 in a W140 is in the middle under the engine with a 6 cilinder line the sump is on the front of the engine so it will be in front of this support beam with the w140 M120 engine it will be in the way so modification is needed.
as far as i know alle w201 chassis are the same there are no differences with a 4 cilinder 5 cilinder diesel or 6 cilinder
brakes and suspension will upgraded for sure !! safety first!!

thanks!!
 

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what do you mean by the core support? the frame connection under the engine from left chassis beam to the right chassis beam? near the oil sump
it will be modified because the oil sump of the m120 in a W140 is in the middle under the engine with a 6 cilinder line the sump is on the front of the engine so it will be in front of this support beam with the w140 M120 engine it will be in the way so modification is needed.
as far as i know alle w201 chassis are the same there are no differences with a 4 cilinder 5 cilinder diesel or 6 cilinder
brakes and suspension will upgraded for sure !! safety first!!

thanks!!
The core support is that brace that the top of the radiator attaches to. The 4 cylinder and 2.6 use different core supports. The 4 cyl radiator is affixed to the rear of the core support while the 2.6 radiator is stashed directly below the core support. In the picture below you can see the difference.



As far as brakes, V8 W124 or W124 station wagon calipers are direct plug and play, same with the brake boosters. Not sure if your 600SEL donor's brakes will directly transfer though, maybe someone else could shed some light on that.
 

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good luck
I saw a M120 v12 in a W124 but not in a W201.
 

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The core support is that brace that the top of the radiator attaches to. The 4 cylinder and 2.6 use different core supports. The 4 cyl radiator is affixed to the rear of the core support while the 2.6 radiator is stashed directly below the core support. In the picture below you can see the difference.



As far as brakes, V8 W124 or W124 station wagon calipers are direct plug and play, same with the brake boosters. Not sure if your 600SEL donor's brakes will directly transfer though, maybe someone else could shed some light on that.
i'm not sure

oke thanks, that brace

yes i going to use the 600 seel radiator i'm not sure yet if i'm going to place it like the 2.6 or in front of it like the 2.0 now
it depends how much space i can create.

the brakes from w140 s600 and cl will not bolt on the sl r129 /w124 / w201 share the same wheelhub connection and are innerchangeable with the calipers and discs so i'm goging to use the sl500 brakes 300mm disc and calipers
 

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I've got plans for an M120 into a 108/109 in the future, but excited to see where this goes!

Also curious what your transmission plans are and what you plan to do for engine management.
 

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I've got plans for an M120 into a 108/109 in the future, but excited to see where this goes!

Also curious what your transmission plans are and what you plan to do for engine management.

transmission will be 722.6 5 speed

i'm going for stand alone ECU and coil plug ignition
 

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Ahh, will be cool to see when it's running!

What ECU are you planning to use?
 

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So i got the engine removed now from the chassis
and it is really big ;)
now i have to look what i need from the orignal car and what can be sold in parts. the only thing that needs to be removed from the old chassis is the rear axle.
here is a video from the engine removal

 

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So i got the engine removed now from the chassis
and it is really big ;)
now i have to look what i need from the orignal car and what can be sold in parts. the only thing that needs to be removed from the old chassis is the rear axle.
here is a video from the engine removal

https://youtu.be/HHZSRnXo7FM
That v12 is going to give you some serious HP - which is lacking in our current 190. Not sure if you're going to mod it a bit; eg, replace gaskets, rings, and maybe grind out the head ports, etc, but that would be something to consider since engine is already out of the car and makes it easy to those stuff.

I also have this wild idea of getting a v8 on the 190... maybe a small block 327 and give it a mild cam, gear drive, and some in-wall headers... imagine that on a 190. ok, nuff with that, this is your show : )

Anyway, thanks for sharing, and keep posting your progress...
 

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That v12 is going to give you some serious HP - which is lacking in our current 190. Not sure if you're going to mod it a bit; eg, replace gaskets, rings, and maybe grind out the head ports, etc, but that would be something to consider since engine is already out of the car and makes it easy to those stuff.

I also have this wild idea of getting a v8 on the 190... maybe a small block 327 and give it a mild cam, gear drive, and some in-wall headers... imagine that on a 190. ok, nuff with that, this is your show : )

Anyway, thanks for sharing, and keep posting your progress...
thanks,

i'm not going to tune inside the engine i leave that part stock
i'm going to change the al the gasket that are bad and or leaking so as far as i can see now the both valve cover gaskets, oil breather pipes is cracked so also new one.
and i'm not sure yet but maybe custom headers but that depends on how much room i have to build it.
we will see
 

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Great project, I too would love to get my hands on a V12 Donor for a w124.

Although not a drastic a swap as this; you might want to read through my thread (E36 AMG Project; in the w124 section) it will highlight some of the issues I encountered when doing a complete motor swap. Particularly in regard to wiring, propshaft etc. Also you will need that V12 taco for one thing. These are details that are nice to know now- as I say I encountered many issues but solved them so it will make good reading for you.

I would suggest not letting go of the donor car until you have the engine running in the 190 first.

Looking forward to following your progress
 

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Great project, I too would love to get my hands on a V12 Donor for a w124.

Although not a drastic a swap as this; you might want to read through my thread (E36 AMG Project; in the w124 section) it will highlight some of the issues I encountered when doing a complete motor swap. Particularly in regard to wiring, propshaft etc. Also you will need that V12 taco for one thing. These are details that are nice to know now- as I say I encountered many issues but solved them so it will make good reading for you.

I would suggest not letting go of the donor car until you have the engine running in the 190 first.

Looking forward to following your progress
thanks i will have a look

i'm going to use a w126 tacho. it is digital and going to work with a abs sensor and getting the signal via the transmission control unit
 

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The engine speed tachometer is dependant on the number of cylinders. Eg: a I6 cluster will not show correct engine RPM in a 4 cylinder car.

So the V12 tachometer will need to come over with the motor. There are no stock w201 tachometers to accommodate 12 cylinder engines.

Also do pull the cluster from the donor car first and see if it has a mechanical speedo cable. Lots of false / inaccurate info out there regarding Mercedes speedometers. So checking for yourself is the best way.
 

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Any updates on the V12 Swap :smile?

:sawzall:
 

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i have some update on the project

i sold the empty donor car so i have some space back in the garage so i can start with removing the
engine and drivetrain of the 190
but first something about the engine electronics and why i'm not going to use the OEM mercedes engine electronics

 

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You're making a wise decision! Meqasquirt should do the trick, or any other aftermarket engine management system. Good luck!
 

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old engine also removed

so got the m102 engine also removed from the 190
so the modifications can be done to fit the v12 in the 190 engine bay

 
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