Mercedes-Benz Forum banner
1 - 12 of 12 Posts

· Registered
2003 E200
Joined
·
8 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Hi. I have a 2003 E200 and after I start engine for first time in morning and put it in drive and start moving off The car tries to keep going even when I am pressing the break. This only happens for about a minute or two and after the car warms up everything is ok again. It can be scary sometimes as There is a turn just after I leave house and have to stop, but when I try, the car jumps and tries to keep going. Have to hold brake real hard.
I should say that this happened about 2 years ago as well but then my battery died and had to get altenator replaced and never jumped again. Surely its not my altenator again ??????
 

· Registered
Current ? (Thinking GLC SUV) Previous 1998 E320, 2007 E320 Bluetec, 2008 320ML CDI
Joined
·
2,544 Posts
Artane,
Welcome to the forum.
From your description it sounds like you may have A) worn brake pads, B) low brake fluid.
Please add the following information:
Miles on car.
Age of current brakes.

Any dash indications? Brake sign, check engine sign.

Skippy
 

· Registered
Current ? (Thinking GLC SUV) Previous 1998 E320, 2007 E320 Bluetec, 2008 320ML CDI
Joined
·
2,544 Posts
Artane,
In thinking about the symptoms you've described I remember a set of racing pads (metallic) that were not good until warmed up.
Are the pads stock?
Skippy
 

· Registered
2003 E200
Joined
·
8 Posts
Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Hi. Thanks for the reply. Miles is 98,000. Brake pads 8 weeks. I think it may be more electrical. It reves up while I have foot on brake to slow down and tries to keep going. When engine warms up after 2 minutes does not happen again. Weird
 

· W210 Section Moderator
1998 E320 base sedan @ 242 kmiles
Joined
·
11,114 Posts
What is the rpm (tachometer reading) when the problem occurs (in P or N, and in D) ?

It is normal for the rpm to be higher during a cold start, however, if rpm is excessive or pulsing, the problem could be related to rich fuel mix. If the problem goes away few minutes later, that could be because the engine computer adjusts the fuel mixture based on readings from the O2 sensors, and air intake.
 

· Registered
2003 E200
Joined
·
8 Posts
Discussion Starter · #6 ·
RPM is 100 *10 Guess a thousand. Its very like a pulse. Just tries to shoot off on me. As I said its fine in couple mins. I tend to get my petrol in different station all the time. Not sure about fuel mix.
 

· W210 Section Moderator
1998 E320 base sedan @ 242 kmiles
Joined
·
11,114 Posts
RPM is 100 *10 Guess a thousand. Its very like a pulse. Just tries to shoot off on me. As I said its fine in couple mins. I tend to get my petrol in different station all the time. Not sure about fuel mix.
Did not mean the mix of fuel you buy from gas stations. I meant the air/ fuel mix that goes into your car's cylinders. If it feels like someone is pressing the gas pedal as you press the brake pedal, it is likely that the pedal value sensor / throttle adjustment issue. Do you have any fault codes ? Have some mechanic to scan your car's computers with a proper scanner.. It is hard to diagnose based on limited information.
 

· Registered
2003 E200
Joined
·
8 Posts
Discussion Starter · #8 ·
Thank you mrboca. That is exactly what it feels like. Someone pressing accelerator as I am pressing brake. No fault comes up on dash. Unfortunatley had a mechanic check it with his computer thing and saw nothing.
 

· W210 Section Moderator
1998 E320 base sedan @ 242 kmiles
Joined
·
11,114 Posts
Does your car behave the same way when you start the warm engine, or only when the engine is cold ?

Check the coolant temperature gauge on the instrument panel after you start a cold engine, and after it is fully warmed up. What do you read ?
 

· Registered
2003 E200
Joined
·
8 Posts
Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Hi again. Hope you had a good July 4th
Coolant reading only starts at 40. When I start car the coolant indicator is not at 40 untill after I drive for 2 mins,. I have no problem with the car trying to move when I foot on brake after the first minute or 2. Even if I turn off engine for 10 or 15 mins and restart, it will NOT act up and try to drive away while foot on pedal. It is only when first driven in morning or if car has being lying up for few hours. Its so annoying. I had same problem maybe 18 mths or 2 years ago but after my battery went dead and I ended up having to replace the altenator and when I got car back from mechanic it did not happen again until recently. Unfortuantly that mechanic emigrated to Australia so no way of finding out if he did anything else while fixing up my car. I think he said he serviced it as well, but I have had that done 2 weeks ago and still the same. Maybe I will just have to remember to leave it running 2 or 3 minutes before I drive it.
 

· W210 Section Moderator
1998 E320 base sedan @ 242 kmiles
Joined
·
11,114 Posts
A fast idle of 1000 rpm when the engine is cold (like the first time start in the morning) is quite normal. Your car is trying to heat up the catalytic converters to reduce emissions. As long as it goes down to normal rpm, it is fine.

The coolant sensor sometimes get covered by some gunk over time, which slows down the response to coolant temperature increase, so the warm up time as perceived by the engine computer increases. If it has not been changed for a while, it would be something your mechanic can remove it and inspect it, both physically and electrically (resistance measurements with the sensor dunked into water at varying temperatures). A replacement is recommended as they are not expensive. Also your mechanic should check the intake air temperature sensor readings (the sensor is in the MAF unit). The readings are available through the OBD2 port to a engine scanner.

You can ask the mechanic to clear the codes (even if there is none) for the engine computer(ECU) with a scanner. This will reset the ECU, and the ECU will go through re-adaptation and re-learn idle speed and many other parameters as you drive. You can do the same by removing the negative terminal of the battery for 10 minutes, and with key out, reconnect the battery, and insert the key and turn it to the last position before the engine cranks (run" position). Wait 3 minutes, turn back and remove the key, insert the key and start the car. That's it. With this method however you need to know your radio code prior, AND know how to re-synchronize the windows, sun-roof etc.

Probably after the battery died, and replaced, your engine computer went through adaptation and re-learn.
 

· Registered
2003 E200
Joined
·
8 Posts
Discussion Starter · #12 ·
Thank you mrboca. I will get the codes for radio and windows hopefully and try that over the weekend. I owe you. If you are ever over in Ireland I will treat you to a few Guinness. Oh yeah. Bring your toolbox. LOL
 
1 - 12 of 12 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top