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The United States imprisons more people than any other country in the world, and a disproportionate number of those prisoners are Black. What are the origins of the U.S. criminal justice system and how did racism shape it? From the creation of the first penitentiaries in the 1800s, to the "tough-on-crime" prosecutors of the 1990s, how America created a culture of mass incarceration.

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/14/751126384/mass-incarceration
 

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Complete and utter embarrassment never reported on by our bought and paid for media, which is of course like our justice system.
 

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Following Portugal's successful example of decriminalizing drug amounts for personal use would definitely reduce the number of people incarcerated.
Personal possession amounts are treated as a misdemeanor, dealer bear the brunt of convictions, and contrary to critics predictions, addiction has sharply declined.
Money is being invested in rehabilitation instead.

That a supposed Democracy has more people per capita in jail than China or Russia should give everyone pause.
 

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Complete and utter embarrassment never reported on by our bought and paid for media, which is of course like our justice system.

It's being reported in the media everywhere. It has been for years. But since recreational drug users make up such a small percentage of the voting public, nothing is ever done to address it at the legal level, which is where change has to take place.

Actually, legal changes are being made right now. Many states are reversing their process of treating drug use as a serious crime and even completely legalizing some amounts of it. It's the federal government that is slow to react.
 

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Fucking pig oinkers ain’t got no message yet. They just think it cute slapping yutes in the clink.
 

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living in an age where intelligence is artificial.

likely stuck here for awhile.

more like england in the 1700's than america in the 1700's
 

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I wonder if this conversation would be different if all of the participants actually listened to the podcast first
 

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living in an age where intelligence is artificial.

likely stuck here for awhile.

more like england in the 1700's than america in the 1700's
What exactly do you think was the problem in 18th century England?
 

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the same politics america is experiencing today that keeps govt from doing smart things

while 1700 america was the brave new world experiment
 

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That would be the same 17th century England that saw the beginning of the agricultural revolution with Jethro Tull's horse drawn seed drill, the first steam engine (Newcomen - 1712 from memory) and the first steam locomotive finished in 1802 (Trevithic), the start of the industrial revolution, reforms and discoveries in medicine and science that lead to our 21st Century society, not to mention the rise of the first modern abolitionism movements... Saw off Bonaparte...

Meanwhile a bunch of rich New Englanders decided to throw their tea into the waters of Boston Harbor because they didn't like paying income tax. At 5%. Some things never change I guess...
 

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That would be the same 17th century England that saw the beginning of the agricultural revolution with Jethro Tull's horse drawn seed drill, the first steam engine (Newcomen - 1712 from memory) and the first steam locomotive finished in 1802 (Trevithic), the start of the industrial revolution, reforms and discoveries in medicine and science that lead to our 21st Century society, not to mention the rise of the first modern abolitionism movements... Saw off Bonaparte...

Meanwhile a bunch of rich New Englanders decided to throw their tea into the waters of Boston Harbor because they didn't like paying income tax. At 5%. Some things never change I guess...


your country was ruled by some inbred king,

breeding future inbred kings.

while 90% of the population were dirt poor serfs,

breeding future dirt poor serfs.
 

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George III wasn't that inbred (his mother and father weren't Hapsburgs or kissing cousins from Arkansas), and the "dirt poor serfs" weren't that dirt poor.

And in relative terms have things really changed?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/06/the-richest-1-percent-now-owns-more-of-the-countrys-wealth-than-at-any-time-in-the-past-50-years/

The wealthiest 1 percent of American households own 40 percent of the country's wealth, according to a new paper by economist Edward N. Wolff. That share is higher than it has been at any point since at least 1962, according to Wolff's data, which comes from the federal Survey of Consumer Finances.

Still, I expect you'll be busy all day manning the barricades in case those pesky redcoats show up again...
 

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Following Portugal's successful example of decriminalizing drug amounts for personal use would definitely reduce the number of people incarcerated.
Personal possession amounts are treated as a misdemeanor, dealer bear the brunt of convictions, and contrary to critics predictions, addiction has sharply declined.
Money is being invested in rehabilitation instead.

That this supposed Democracy has more people per capita in jail than China or Russia should give everyone pause.
It's being reported in the media everywhere. It has been for years. But since recreational drug users make up such a small percentage of the voting public, nothing is ever done to address it at the legal level, which is where change has to take place.

Actually, legal changes are being made right now. Many states are reversing their process of treating drug use as a serious crime and even completely legalizing some amounts of it. It's the federal government that is slow to react.
Indeed, we need only point to Washington State and Colorado. I'm surprised, though, that California wasn't the first state to do that.

Recreational marijuana users are actually quite a large part of the voting public. You just don't hear about it much because admitting that you smoke grass makes you a target for the authoritahs, and people naturally don't want that, so publicly they stay quiet (exceptions: major entertainment stars with lots of fame and money, e. g. Snoop Dogg). But in private, I've seen and met quite a lot of grass smokers over the years.

What I find disappointing is that then-Senator Obama acknowledged that he "inhaled...frequently! That was the point!" He and Eric "Fast 'N' Furious" Holder could've taken marijuana off of the Schedule 1 list and instead regulate it as we currently do with alcohol, and they should have. Booze is way worse for you than grass. But they refused repeated appeals to do just that. They implied a Federal threat to Washingtonians and Coloradans, but since those are majority-Democrat states, they knew what would happen to them politically if they ever actually moved to stop those efforts. They really could have, and should have, done better. With Trump in office we'll never see improvement here at the Federal level, and I doubt any of the Democrats running would have the guts to do so, either.
 

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Did you know Britain transported over 52 thousand convicts to the Colonies prior to 1776 and all that? Chances are if you were one of the 2.5 million Europeans in the Colonies in 1776 you might have been a descendent.
 

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Yeah. US how many times the murder rate?

My family weren't dumb enough to GET CAUGHT.
 

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Meanwhile a bunch of rich New Englanders decided to throw their tea into the waters of Boston Harbor because they didn't like paying income tax. At 5%.


Throw away the history books - this post just described what the American Revolutionary war was all about in one sentence.

:rolleyes:
 

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If you read the true history, not just the partisan version you are fed in school, you will find there was a lot more to it than the entries colonies rising up against oppressing British redcoats: it was as much a civil war fought between pro Britain and pro indepence colonials as anything; atrocities were committed on both sides; most British troops refused to fight in the Colonies (either because they secretly sympathized or more usually because they didn't want to see British troops fighting British citizens, frequently close relatives), the 'British" army was mostly Hessian and Hannovarian mercenaries, the officers were mostly second or third rate dismissed or disgraced at home. And, of course, dependence on France, then still itself a much more oppressive monarchy, for military and financial support.
 
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