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Over the last 30 years or so the wage gap between unskilled and skilled jobs, let alone the "executives" has grown immensely.

And before I go any further I'm going to exclude those who have started a business, nay, a whole industry, like Gates, Jobs, Bezos, etc. because THEY came up with the ideas, built the busineses and quite rightly reap the rewards of their success.

I'm talking about the appointed executives of corporations founded over a century ago by someone else. What such executives pay each other is pure corporate greed.

The bottom rung workers get exploited and wages are held down, deliberately, to boost corporate earnings and thus the rewards to the executives. "Don't like it? Well, fuck it! We will move the factory to Puerto Rico, Mexico, China, even Viet fucking Nam! See how you like that!"

Meanwhile a lot of skilled and semi-skilled jobs have gone, either because the factory DID get moved to China, or the workers got replaced by robots.

Unless or until new industries come along, or unless the western governments intervene (fat chance) we plebs are FUCKED.
 

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@IWantedaJag, quite correct. And that's why A.) giving China MFN status, and B.) NAFTA, were such terrible ideas. Once that got started, factories started moving there en-masse.

@hbar, that's why all your competitors have factories in Asia (probably all China). Same reason Apple ran over there--cheap sweatshop labour.
 

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^ Communist :D

When it comes to welfare for the poor, health care, retirement security, the environment, and public health and safety, I'm a proud socialist.

On the other hand, for regular consumer industries, I support free market capitalism.
 

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Statistics show that a majority of minimum wage workers have other sources of income and live comfortably. .......
That's total bullshit...!


unless they're also selling weed out of the trunk of their old jalopy...or working under the table to try and make ends meet....and that's also illegal..
 

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Actually, hbar has a point. Most people that I've seen who make minimum wage have at least two jobs, often three, and they work something like 80-100 hours a week.
 

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Great to hear - although not likely a purchase I'm likely to make - the people still manufacturing in the US have to find a market advantage other than lowest cost to succeed. Great to see there is a market sophisticated enough to be able to distinguish a value other than just cost when making choices. Thanks for the good news!

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True, and there are, fortunately, also other examples. New Balance, among shoes, is another one. Now, NB does make several lines of shoes, and the less expensive ones are made in Asia (principally, China and Vietnam). The 990 series is still "Made In USA", fortunately, and that's why I buy them. Indeed, I'm wearing a pair today.

I remember the 1980's, when we were seriously considering putting tariffs on Japanese cars. The Big Three lobbied very hard for that, because they were getting their butts kicked on quality and fuel-efficiency by Honda, Toyota, and Nissan/Datsun. Electronics manufacture was already moving to Japan, and Zenith was one of the last American holdouts. Those of us of a certain age and older will remember the fear of Japan Inc. taking over the United States. Tariffs were the talk of Congress, and remember, members of Congress back then were generally of the WWII age.

The result was that both Honda and Toyota built plants here in the United States and started making their most popular cars here. Honda had ads on TV, with a Midwestern "White guy" accent, describing how Hondas are made, and I quote, "right here in Ohio!" Accords are indeed made in the East Liberty, OH plant and have been for 30 years. There's also a plant in Indiana. If memory serves, our Civics were made in the Indiana plant.

Then there's Mercedes-Benz, the subject of this very Web site. :) There's that big plant in Alabama where the SUV's and, I believe, C-classes are made. Those happen to be the most popular models here in the United States. So, even Ze Deutsch are building things here.

To my utter amazement, can openers are made here in the USA. They're even sold at Walmart! The wife and I were shopping for can openers, and we found three types. One was "Made In USA" and cost $9.99. The other two are "Made In China" and cost maybe half that or just a bit less. We bought the USA-made one. It's considerably sturdier than the "Chinesium" junk ones, and thus it's likely to A.) work better, and B.) last a good, long time, which is exactly what she and I want. It actually does work a lot better than the Chinese crap that I had bought previously. I also fully realize that a lot of other folks will bypass the quality American one and go for the cheap-o junk ones. That's their choice. It just isn't mine.

It really can be done. We can manufacture things here again. It's just a matter of the right incentives, a good business plan, and proper execution.
 

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So the problem is not American manufacturing skills, it is American consumers who don't understand buying a new whatever it is every year instead of one of better quality that lasts many years is keeping their neighbors employed, it keeps that much more trash out of our landfills and oceans!

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That's total bullshit...!


unless they're also selling weed out of the trunk of their old jalopy...or working under the table to try and make ends meet....and that's also illegal..
Trump Says US Economy Never Stronger: ‘People Who Had One Job Now Have Two’

Donald Trump has rejected claims the country’s economy is faltering, saying many Americans now enjoy twice as many jobs as they had under Obama.

Trump used a rally in Ohio yesterday to tell supporters the economy was stronger than ever and that he had never seen so many jobs.

“You wouldn’t believe how many jobs people have these days. So many jobs. I said I would bring back jobs to America and now people are telling me they’ve never had so many jobs in their life. It’s incredible, believe me”.

Mr Trump said he regularly met people who had increased their number of jobs by 200% since he became President.

“Just the other day I met a guy who works at Walmart during the day, as a cleaner at night and an Uber driver on weekends. In the past he would’ve just had one job. Thank you Mr President”.
 

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So the problem is not American manufacturing skills, it is American consumers who don't understand buying a new whatever it is every year instead of one of better quality that lasts many years is keeping their neighbors employed, it keeps that much more trash out of our landfills and oceans!

Jim

I would say this is largely accurate.
 

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That's total bullshit...!


unless they're also selling weed out of the trunk of their old jalopy...or working under the table to try and make ends meet....and that's also illegal..

Half of minimum wage workers live in a household with more than $40,000 annual income.

Less than 20% of minimum wage workers are the sole source of earned income for their household.



The raw data is available at the Department of Labor Ststistics in PDF format.

 

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My wife ran a catering and wedding business for 22 years. It was hard work with little reward. Imagine writing a check every year to the sum total of over 40% of your net profit to the government and state. It was disheartening to see yourself give away nearly half your earnings for the government to pour into a big ass hole of fiscal irresponsibility. She quit in 2017, sold all our equipment for pennies on the dollar and now works three days a week doing data entry at $11 an hour. It is an easy job, supplements our income and takes a shitload of pressure off of me. She also draws $400 a month off her account in Wells Fargo. I also work at home on weekends doing book formatting for $60 an hour and have no trouble getting work. So, this year, we will do very well in contrast to our worst years, 2011-2015. It will take us awhile to regain our prosperity we used to enjoy but I can certainly say I don’t want to see some goofball politician screw it up with a mandated $15 hour minimum wage. In 2010, we paid cash for a new Ford Truck and a 2005 S430. I don’t see that ever happening again.
 

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Just to add, but sorry chaps, the US economy isn't going to survive if all the US can manufacture is can openers and model kits.

The real future for industrialized countries lies in making HIGH VALUE stuff other countries can't.
 

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Actually, hbar has a point. Most people that I've seen who make minimum wage have at least two jobs, often three, and they work something like 80-100 hours a week.
Now that's the way to have a "comfortable life" isn't it...working 80 to 100 hours a week..

If you're lucky you can also get 8 hours sleep ..oops but no time left for eating or cleaning yourself now..

No chance of buying anything because there's no time left for that either...and don't ever get sick.........

Example:

My wife and I check into a hotel in the US and a nice older gentleman greets us and takes care of all....
We check out in the AM and he's still at the bloody front desk. What's going on I ask...Oh...My wife is ill and I have to work around the clock and I have another job elsewhere to try and pay for her care and meds...You could see that he was suffering....

Yep..!! What a comfortable life indeed and he was quite a bit older than we were...Minimum wage means the barest of existence in my book...for far too many...
 

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Eff you Jack I'm okay is the new American way...
 

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So the problem is not American manufacturing skills, it is American consumers who don't understand buying a new whatever it is every year instead of one of better quality that lasts many years is keeping their neighbors employed, it keeps that much more trash out of our landfills and oceans!

Jim
That's a good part of it, for sure. The other part of it is that the "Made In China" is in super-small print, just enough to meet the legal requirements for foreign-made goods. There may even be star-spangled packaging on it (I've actually seen this before). Kinda like how "Meyle Germany" loves to imply really strongly that they're German-made, but when you look at the actual item, in small print it says, "MADE IN CHINA".

That's what happens when we allow sweatshop-slave-labour to undercut our own industries and, well, much more decent wages than over there. Apple is now an egregious offender.
 

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Now that's the way to have a "comfortable life" isn't it...working 80 to 100 hours a week..

If you're lucky you can also get 8 hours sleep ..oops but no time left for eating or cleaning yourself now..

No chance of buying anything because there's no time left for that either...and don't ever get sick.........

Example:

My wife and I check into a hotel in the US and a nice older gentleman greets us and takes care of all....
We check out in the AM and he's still at the bloody front desk. What's going on I ask...Oh...My wife is ill and I have to work around the clock and I have another job elsewhere to try and pay for her care and meds...You could see that he was suffering....

Yep..!! What a comfortable life indeed and he was quite a bit older than we were...Minimum wage means the barest of existence in my book...for far too many...
Boy, did you say it, and yep, that's the point. I see the cleaning folks here, and speaking Spanish, I talk with them sometimes. They've got 2 or 3 jobs, and they're working 80-100 hours a week. It's nuts, and I tell 'em regularly that I respect them for their work ethic. That's not an easy life.
 

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Just to add, but sorry chaps, the US economy isn't going to survive if all the US can manufacture is can openers and model kits.

The real future for industrialized countries lies in making HIGH VALUE stuff other countries can't.
I sure hope we don't get reduced to making only can openers and model kits. I'd like for us to start building computers and phones again, like we used to. Remember that Apple computers were made in the USA for a lot of years before the company started shipping that work overseas in the late 1990's/early 2000's. Back then, Apple hardware was top-notch as far as personal computers went. The iPhony and the other iBullcrap also need to be manufactured here, not in Chinese sweatshops.

Carver Corporation made very good, and affordable, audio equipment in their Lynnwood, WA factory until there was essentially a hostile takeover that ran Bob Carver out of the company. Now, the name "Carver" is just a shadow of what it used to be; it's Chinesium junk now. Fortunately, I've got some of their Lynnwood, WA-made audio gear, and it continues to produce really good sound.
 
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