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Hello!
I got myself a 1994 AMG C36 with no ASR.
The tyres are getting warm and I desperately need a limited slip differential.
I don't want the ASR because of the limited use of it in higher speeds.
I have heard that AMG sells a real limited slip (centrifugal controlled, no electronics).
My quesion is how I can find such a diff and what the partnumber is.
The Swedish dealers know very litttle about AMG so please help me out.

I know that there are 2 different gear ratios to this car, 2.85:1 and 2,87:1 but not if this means LSD or not.

I have a partnumber :0031361 but the seller (wrecker) can't tell if this diff is LSD or not.

Is there another way of telling if you see a LSD or normal diff?

Thanks for any help in this matter.
 

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hej svenske broder..kul att du köpt en c 36!

ja köpte min från sthlms bilförmedling i...


hej svenske broder..kul att du köpt en c 36!

ja köpte min från sthlms bilförmedling i vintras är helnöjd, ska bara köpa 18 tummare nu så blir den grym till sommarn

vart har du köpt din vilken färg osv..har nämligen vänt upp å ner på varenda c36:a i sverige..så ja kanske känner till din:)

ang diff.. vad ja vet borde ju även 94 ha diffbroms
min 95 har iallafall de ETS heter de å går inte att stänga av!!

Med en blinkande varningstriangel märker man att hjulen spinner å under 80kmh går diffbromsen in riktigt otäckt när man ställer upp!

har nyligt servat min..man blir förvånad över hur billigt delarna är..nya klossar fram å bak under 1000kr däremot skivorna var ett annat kapitel..kan du ju läsa om i tidigare inlägg!



(ive just writed in swedish about my ETS system in case you wounderd)
 

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Your dealer does not need to know anything about AMG for this. Get him to enter your vehic...

Your dealer does not need to know anything about AMG for this. Get him to enter your vehicle number in his parts computer and the build history of you car should be visible.
I would imagine that LSD was standard on Swedish models.
There are dozens of various diff part numbers. This to accommodate the various axles / transmission set ups. Suggest you use only the part numbers listed.

To find out if diff is LSD, hold one side firm, turn the other and it should lock after part of the turn - or if on the car, jack up one side, turn the rear wheel and it should lock.
The standard rear axle ratio for a 36 is 3.07:1. You can use 2.8 but it will reduce your accelaration, but give you a lower rpm per Km.
 

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Swedes...

Hello Tommy!
(For english speakers..just som words in swedish to Tommy!):
Tjenare!
Vi verkar vara de enda svenskarna här!
Kul att höra att fler i Sverig insett vilken unik bil vi pratar om här.
Egentligen är det nog den sista riktiga Mercedesen.
Jag menar rak sexa, ingen respirator och riktiga strålkastarglas utan plast.
Nuförtiden har ju BMW den mest seriösa framtoningen tycker jag, tyvärr.
Så det blir till att hålla liv i denna C36 så länge man lever. Såna bilar görs inte längre..
Min är en av de första från -94 och är svartmet. med svart skinn.
Lucka, farthållare, AC o elhissar men inget övrigt i utrustning.
17000mil för 110000:- var väl rätt OK tror jag. Går som en dröm om jag bara får dit en diff och nya bakdäck. (Rena bakeliten nu med Dunlop LeMans)
Delarna är billiga som till alla MB!
Ofta billigare än t.ex. Volvo.
Köpte den av en kompis som importerat den själv från Tyskland för 2 år sen. Han fick inte nog utan ville ha en C43 vilket han skaffat sig nu.
Han har samma ETS tror jag som du men även med urkopplingsknapp då den verkar spinna som min ungefär.
Tänk om man kunde bygga om diffen så den gick in och ur i vettiga hastigheter.
Jag tror jag går över till engelska..

..is there a limitation of wheel speed between right and left wheel or a complete locking on a car with ETS when the system is working?
Would it be possible to adjust the level of braking/locking betwen the wheels?
 

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Car was sold new in Germany

.. so there is no LSD built in.
The problem is that the dealers can only see that there are two alternative diff. for this car (1994).
And that is one wih 2.85:1 in gear ratio or 2.87:1, only depending on chassis number.
(And I'm quite happy with that gear ratio, it's saves fuel and the tourque is so massive anyway (the wheels are spinning...)
They can't tell if it's with or without LSD but they say that they can see that my car has no LSD.

Would it be possible to use an ASD diff and "tune" the electrinics to suit my wanted speeds of function?
Is the ASD function on/off or something more gradient?
 

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Not sure what is going on - the C36, according to everything I have, has 3.07 as the std...

Not sure what is going on - the C36, according to everything I have, has 3.07 as the std final drive ratio. It is the same as the 280, but the extra hp in the 36 gave it the accelaration figures using this diff. Mind you, my info is for a 1997 36 - it could be that they had 2.85 in 1994 and changed up later on.

Personally I would keep well clear of playing around with any of the electronics on the ASR or ESP...It could lead to all sorts of trouble. Fit a mechanical diff.

My only closing comment is that p/n 202-350-62-14 is for an auto lock diff with 3.07 and should fit your axle (its the diff that I have fitted) but I think you may need to change your prop shaft as I have a five speed and you probably have four speed..
I cannot guarantee this will work, but its all I can advise you on.
 

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1997 C36 was fitted with 3.07 final drive because the transmission was changed to a 5-spee...

1997 C36 was fitted with 3.07 final drive because the transmission was changed to a 5-speed. The 4-speed transmission was fitted with a 2.87 final drive, this being on 1995-1996 models (in the USA, "model year" years).

LSD was an available option, but only on cars not fitted with ASR, as the operation of these two systems are different in method (ASR stops a slipping tire and reduces throttle so that remaining power is sent to the non-slipping tire, LSD ignores the slipping wheel and continues to send power to both tires)

Here are the part numbers I have for full C36 rear ends for 1995-1996:

HWA 202 350 08 14 (no ASR)
HWA 202 350 09 14 (with ASR)

Those are the only parts. :(

-s-
 

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LSD was an available option

scorchie:
Do you mean that HWA 202 350 08 14 is a mechanical LSD and not a hydraulic controlled, ASD?
 

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Re: LSD was an available option

scorchie:
Do you mean that HWA 202 350 08 14 is a mechanical LSD and not a hydraulic controlled, ASD?
I believe it is ASD.

I understand LSD was listed as an option, but in my US parts catalog I can only locate those two part numbers for 1995-1996 C36.

-s-
 

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Does anyone have a US parts catalog for 1994 C36?
If so there should be a number for a LS...


Does anyone have a US parts catalog for 1994 C36?
If so there should be a number for a LSD if it ever was an option?
 

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Re: Does anyone have a US parts catalog for 1994 C36?

Does anyone have a US parts catalog for 1994 C36?
If so there should be a number for a LSD if it ever was an option?
In the US, there was no 1994 C36. It was a 1995 C36, which most of Europe called the 1994 C36.

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Re: Re: Does anyone have a US parts catalog for 1994 C36?

Does anyone have a US parts catalog for 1994 C36?
If so there should be a number for a LSD if it ever was an option?
In the US, there was no 1994 C36. It was a 1995 C36, which most of Europe called the 1994 C36.

-s-
Yes ofcourse, I understand.
Since ASR/ASD seems to almost standard here in Europe from 1995 I guess that it was so also in US.

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Find a 3.07 limited-slip from a Euro 190E-16v.Change the diff. covers, and it should b...

Find a 3.07 limited-slip from a Euro 190E-16v.

Change the diff. covers, and it should bolt right on.

However, you will need to take you driveshaft and have them change the rear flange to match the limited-slip flange.

The cost was LESS than purchasing a new limited-slip ($400 for driveshaft; $250 for limited-slip diff).
 

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Re: Find a 3.07 limited-slip from a Euro 190E-16v.Change the diff. covers, and it should b...

OK!
So, I could change the rear flange on the propellershaft and replace the back cover of the housing?
Are the dimensions the same internally, I mean will the 190E-16VEvo diff take the tourqe...?



Find a 3.07 limited-slip from a Euro 190E-16v.

Change the diff. covers, and it should bolt right on.

However, you will need to take you driveshaft and have them change the rear flange to match the limited-slip flange.

The cost was LESS than purchasing a new limited-slip ($400 for driveshaft; $250 for limited-slip diff).
 

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Re: Re: Find a 3.07 limited-slip from a Euro 190E-16v.Change the diff. covers, and it should b

So far it's taken the torque and abuse. However, as a precaution I run 80W-140 SWEPCO gear oil instead of 80W-90. It's thicker and takes the shock load better.

:) neil

OK!
So, I could change the rear flange on the propellershaft and replace the back cover of the housing?
Are the dimensions the same internally, I mean will the 190E-16VEvo diff take the tourqe...?



Find a 3.07 limited-slip from a Euro 190E-16v.

Change the diff. covers, and it should bolt right on.

However, you will need to take you driveshaft and have them change the rear flange to match the limited-slip flange.

The cost was LESS than purchasing a new limited-slip ($400 for driveshaft; $250 for limited-slip diff).
 
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