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Just got it today--would you believe they clocked the ML350 0-60 in 7.1! That's very impressive, considering factory spec. is 8.2. That's a full second faster than the '99 430 they had previously.

Very positive review except they hated the standard suspension (Airmatic was much better).

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Hello GregW.

That make sence, since I found the ML 350 VERY close to the ML 500 in performance.

It is also a well know fact that Mercedes are trying to "adjust" the 0-100km/h times to distance two otherwise simular models.
 

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ansan: I have to comment on your statement about the new 06 350 being very close to the 500 in performance. Yesterday I had the chance to drive the new 06 350 within minutes of dropping my 05 500SE off at the dealer. Anytime you step on the 500 it goes. I've never floored it yet, I've never had to. I went back on the same freeway with the 350 that I had just pulled off of in my 500. Compared to the 500 the 350 has a low to mid range flat spot in acceleration. Almost like a turbo lag. The 0 to 60 times can be misleading. The 40 to 60 or 50 to 75 times might be a better test. The 500 spanks the 350 in those ranges. Horsepower numbers are nice, but it's torque that gets the job done. The 350 is short on that and is why they have 3.90 gear ratios in the differential to the 500's 3.70. I had to cross a small range of hills @ 3000 feet and back to sea level both coming and going home with the 500 and still averaged 18.8 MPG actual for 150 mile round trip. The torque pulls the vehicle over those hills and never kicks down in gear. I'll just say I like the driveability better in the 500 than the 350! [8D]
 

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dakat, thanks for your valuable input. Still I need some one to explain how a 258 lb-ft engine can achieve almost same acceleration of a 339 lb-ft engine, unless the 3.5 litres has more HP and Torque than advertized by MB. Or simply the test driver happens to weigh less than 100 lbs.
C&D have a history of beating the manufacturers estimates. Few years ago, During the test drive of the BMW 330i they beat BMW estimate by almost one second.
 

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jean7of9: I based my evaluation of the 06 350 strictly on the seat of pants feel. I had just jumped out of a 05 500 after driving non-stop on the freeway for 75 miles, and straight into the 350. My pants were calibrated for the 500 and thus I could feel the difference in the low and mid range power of the 350 right away. Of further note, gears multiply torque, thus the 258 ft. lbs. X 3.90 axle ratio in high gear produces 1006 ft. lbs. available to the axle shafts in 4th gear or direct drive. The 500 has 325 ft. lbs. X 3.70 axle ratio produces 1202 ft. lbs. to the axle shafts. So, there is not a lot of difference as you can see, but I could feel it having gone from one to other within minutes. I too agree with you. I think the German engines are under rated, maybe for emission qualifications. There is a thing called "brake specific" which is pounds of fuel per horsepower per hour. So understating the horsepower may be an advantage to the engine manufactuer, I don't know, just a guess. I do know that a 5.0 is 303 cubic inches and I've never seen that much power in a normal aspirated engine of that size, especially in a 4800#+ vehicle. The 350 is okay I just happen to love the V-8's and the pull they give you when you step on them! [8D]
 

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Dakat: Thanks. True driving experience (like yours) is so much real and more informative than track testing. I am still leaning toward the ML-500, not only because the V8 has more torque but because it has more options. Just waiting to see how the custom ordered ML's are coming out.
 

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Jean: Don't know what you're driving now or how much you want to spend, or if you're sold on the 06 model. But, I picked up a loaded 05 500SE MSRP at 52K for 48K in Dec. 04. My salesman told me monday that people are still asking for the 05's but he's sold out. What I hadn't said was I like the 05 way better than the 06 I drove, and as you pointed out it has more standard equipment that you have to pay for on the 350. Which ever model year you choose I think you'll like the 500 over the 350 for more than just the power. Shop around and good luck!! [8D]
 

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Dakat, I like the new ML car-like drivability and probably I will never take it off-road. I owned various MB models since 1975 and have been waiting for so long for a truck which drives like a car. I started looking at the RX-330 which I think is an excellent choice except it has no V8 option. Then I considered the Cayenne S but could not find a way to ease the harsh suspension, (or very hard with the Air Suspension). Until I stumbled on this good board by accident months ago. Now I made up my mind for a fully loaded ML-500 (specially the Air Suspension) which will come close to Can$100K (around US$75k). I am giving myself until June before signing my order just to see whether some quality problems will surface. So far my dealer has no demos for test driving, he will get them mid-May. He also has more than 25 2005 ML's in stock which he wants to get rid of before bringing the New Once. For the last six years, I received outstanding service from this dealer for my E320 4matic. He never failed and always had a courtesy car even for one hour service. He earned my unconditional loyalty.
 
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