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Does anyone have any info (picture, technical data, etc...) about an experimental MB veichle - a w124 300E powered by a gas turbine? There was a two-page article here in a local magazine (cca. 85 - 90, i do not remember exactly), but all I'm able to remember is the photo of the huge air intake in place of the front grille.
 

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ar35s - 2/22/2005 2:34 AM

Does anyone have any info (picture, technical data, etc...) about an experimental MB veichle - a w124 300E powered by a gas turbine? There was a two-page article here in a local magazine (cca. 85 - 90, i do not remember exactly), but all I'm able to remember is the photo of the huge air intake in place of the front grille.
Vidi slovenca. Gdje si rodjak?! [:D]
 

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CowtownBallin - 2/21/2005 5:35 PM

ar35s - 2/22/2005 2:34 AM

Does anyone have any info (picture, technical data, etc...) about an experimental MB veichle - a w124 300E powered by a gas turbine? There was a two-page article here in a local magazine (cca. 85 - 90, i do not remember exactly), but all I'm able to remember is the photo of the huge air intake in place of the front grille.
Vidi slovenca. Gdje si rodjak?! [:D]
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Sounds Interessting!

I have heard from US Company`s in the mid 50`s which have experimented with Gas-Turbines from Helicopters...
 

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GM had a gas turbine project in a unique test bed chassis that made the rounds of the car shows. I think I remember Mercedes having a truck with gas turbine - but I don't recall the year.

The gas turbine was found to have too many problems, all of which related to performance, economy and consumer price.

The main problem was that in typical automotive use, conditions do not provide enough of a temperature delta between the intake and exhaust temperature of the gas turbine to achieve efficient (read economical) operation.

Gas turbines are a maintenance nightmare, which didn't help matters, either...


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eolon - 2/25/2005 11:20 AM
The main problem was that in typical automotive use, conditions do not provide enough of a temperature delta between the intake and exhaust temperature of the gas turbine to achieve efficient (read economical) operation.
Yep, and the compressor that shoves air into the combustion chamber is powered by the shaft that the turbine sits on..so the first set of turbines and compressor are dependant on each other. The faster the turbine spins, the more air the compressor can send into the combustion chamber. Works great at high speeds and high altitudes, not so good in stop-and-go traffic when efficiency comes into play [:D]
 

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Gas turbines are finicky devices and until someone comes up with one that the typical consumer can operate they will never be practical.

I consider turbine powered vehicles for the masses in the same group as personal aircraft for the masses. I just don't see it happening. The average consumer is too inept to operate either... for very long anyway.
 

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Back in 1981 mercedes had the experimental veichle "Auto 2000", where an engine option was a gas turbine, which is mentioned in the old MB official pages, but not in the new DaimlerChrysler ones:

http://www.mercedes-benz.com/mbcom/...ion/laboratory/researchvehicles/auto2000.html

http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dcco...0-0-348452-0-0-135-7145-0-0-0-0-0-0-0,00.html

The gas turbine powered w124 is mentioned on some forums:

http://www.mbcanada.com/forum/index.php?s=f29adb24045a9f7842e37828000e628c&showtopic=1609

http://f27.parsimony.net/forum66434/messages/9406.htm

but the photos are no longer there[:(]
 

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egads, freaking ZOOM

Thanks for sharing, had never seen this.

Sad but not surprising, many of the 2005 links are dead.
 

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Jay Leno has three (to my knowledge) jet powered cars: a jet powered EcoJet car, and a jet powered OLds Toronado (1200HP) and a Chrysler car from I think 1967 that was jet powered from the factory. You can see him driving all three of them, in different videos, on you tube. In the late 1980s I remember seeing a magazine with a black Corvette that was jet powered. Called Turbine-vette. Jay Leno can also be seen driving a SLS AMG 6.3 around Mulholland drive on a sunny saturday morning. Jay does love Mercedes. !!
 

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That's it in a nutshell; stop & go, everyday typical driving scenario just isn't practical/possible with a gas turbine engine. Studebaker had a turbine car back in the 60's I think. I think it was designed to take a variety of fuels at the time. That colossal failure was a lesson to all.

Leno has a jet powered motorcycle as well. When that baby spools up, you better hang on to something.:eek:

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That benz is sick!! I wonder what the horespower rating and torque figures are? Do you use hp and torque on a jet engine?
 
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