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Installing Aftermarket Radio in w211 With Harman Kardon (Wiring Diagram)

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Guide for anyone trying to install an aftermarket radio in a Benz with Harman Kardon Audio. I did this in my w211 e class. It should apply to other cars in similar generations (w203, w220, etc...)

Product: Android 10 9-inch GPS Car Radio Stereo Multimedia for Mercedes-Benz E-Class W211 | eBay - not the exact radio I bought but same size.

Some things to consider before you begin -
1. If you have a CD changer installed in the car, the 9 inch radios will make your life difficult with the install, and you will not be able to use said CD Changer anymore.
2. MOST fiber optic box is necessary, add in $110 to whatever price you are planning on paying for a radio.

Now, when purchasing a MOST box, I had better luck with one of the boxes that came with a red ACC wire in addition to the B+ yellow and GND black wire. Others have made the 2 wire ones work, but I have had 0 issues with the 3 wire ones. From what I can tell, these boxes are hit or miss, absolutely spend an extra $20 or so for a reputable brand such as XTRONS.

STEP 1. Remove shifter cover by lifting up on it, and do the same for cigarette lighter compartment. There are no screws holding these in but you will have to unclip a few wiring harnesses. Cig lighter wiring harness may give some problems, the connector pulls off upwards instead of backwards. You will figure it out.
STEP 2. remove 2 screws holding in CD changer and disconnect 3 cables (right most cable is for the CD changer, middle is the fiber optic connection, and left most 6? pin connector is for the ESP, lock/unlock and other buttons on that panel.) The screws should be t25? Maybe T20. Do not totally remember, a Torx screwdriver set helps.
STEP3. Remove CD changer. This is when the fun begins... If your new radio bracket is anything like mine, it will not just fit over the CD changer, some of the trim gets in the way. My solution was to disassemble the entire CD changer and remove it all together.

If you decide to do what I did and delete the entire CD changer, you will have to plug all plugs back in, and open the CD changer, then unplug. With CD changer open, you can access 2 t15/10? screws on the sides. At this point take the whole CD changer assembly off the car and work on it with more space. undo the 2 t15 screws, and go to the bottom/back of the changer assembly. There is a wire cover panel all across the back of the assembly. This should come off fairly easy, just a few plastic tabs. With that dangling from the assembly, fiddle with the Fiber optic connection, and the CD power connection to release them from the assembly harness, they should be held in by plastic clips. With the CD changer open, the screws removed, and both plastic wire clips loose (red, yellow, black wires, and the 2 black or orange Fiber wires), you can simply slide the CD changer out of the assembly.

Now, looking from the back of the CD changer, there will be 4? T8 screws holding the button panel and the trim panel on to the assembly. Remove these to free the button panel with lock/unlock. If your radio does not interfere or overlap with the CD changer assembly, you are lucky, you can just remove the wood trim and put it all back together. If they overlap you will have to do some more fun stuff. You can shave down the CD changer assembly to allow the radio bracket room to fit over it, or you can just delete the entire CD changer assembly like me. To do this, you have to remove the 6 pin connector from its bracket. Then you can remove the motor assembly by removing the 2 t15 or t20 screws. There are 2 separate wiring harnesses that run the length of the CD changer assembly. When looking from inside the car, the left side is the only side that matters (side without the green cover). It brings data regarding the hazards, door locks etc. You may have to cut these 4 wires in order to string them through and resplice them so you just have the 4 wires connector for the left side of the button control panel. The 6 pin connector and the left side 4 wire connector is all you need from the CD changer if you are deleting the CD changer.

BEFORE STEP 3.

Either disconnect battery at this point, or remove the fuse 24 and 26 from the left side fuse box right near the driver side door. These fuses should be 5 amp and 7.5 amp. One is for CD changer, other is for radio. To be extra safe, either disconnect battery, or pull fuse 8 from the trunk driver side fuse box (40 amp, goes to amp).

STEP 3. Removing the radio is easy. 2 T15 screws that you unscrew all the way from underneath, they will stay in the car and not fall out. Slide the radio out and disconnect the 1 wiring connector from the back of the radio. If your radio has a second 3 pin connector on the passenger side, this is for the aux cord. Disconnect it and do not worry about it anymore. separate the 3 pin connector and the fiber optic lines from their harness on the radio. If you are comfortable, feel free to cut off the 3 pin connector that powers the radio. Pink is trigger wire (ignore), Brown is ground, Red+yellow is BAT+.

STEP 4. Wiring - outside the car, connect your MOST box red ACC wire to your new headunit red ACC wire, and do the same with yellow BAT+ and Brown GND. Back to the car. either cut or strip your cig lighter power cable (red) and splice both red ACC wires into this wire. Then, splice both yellow BAT+ wires into the red/yellow wire from the radio 3 pin connector, and finally, splice both GND wires into the brown ground wire from the old radio connector. Now, insert the fiber optic line from the radio into your MOST box (you may need to remove the 2 lines from the plastic connector). You will also need a fiber optic loop ($8 on amazon) that clips in where the CD changer used to be. Once all of these lines are connected, make sure all wires are secure and covered, feel free to turn on your car and verify that the radio screen powers on. With the car back off, find the Lamp/Illumination wire from your new radio. It should be orange or pink. Splice or connect this to the small blue wire that come off of the cigarette lighter harness. This will allow you to retain backlighting settings for your new radio.

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This is what worked for me. I would avoid attaching anything the to RED wire from the canbus box. Feel free to use the illumination and other wires from the canbus box if you would rather do that than splice into the cig lighter.

STEP 5. Connect accessory cables to the back of radio as you wish. Your radio should come with a connector that has RCA audio output cables labeled audio out L and audio out R. Plug these into the fiber optic decoder box in order to have sound. With all this done, you should be ready to start installing everything. Start by Screwing your radio screen into the bracket it came with, then screw the T8 screws for the lock/unlock button panel into the bottom of the frame. Connect the 6 pin connector from before to its opposite end inside of the car on the bottom left. Now plug everything into their respective spots, and tighten the 2 vertical screws underneath the radio to secure it (That part can be tricky.) If you are keeping your cigarette lighter, reattach the connector and place it back.

STEP 6. Adding Steering Wheel Controls - At this point, audio and everything should work. To get SWC, take your CANBUS decoder box and wire the yellow wire from the box to RED from the Headunit and FO box. Next, connect black wire to GND, then go underneath the glovebox and find the CAN port, plug the green connector from the box into the can port, then plug the white connector from the canbus box into the spot for it on the back of the headunit.

IMPORTANT THINGS TO REMEMBER. Do not forget to connect the 6 pin connector from the hazard/locking panel. Do not forget to attach the RCA cables, make sure all fiber optic cables are in. They have to either have a loop, or be connected to something like the decoder box.
Remember - this is an install WITHOUT the CANBUS box, so you will not have steering wheel controls. Everything else will work.
Tip - buy a Autokit carplay adapter for your android headunit if you want to use android auto or apple carplay.
I bought this one Amazon.com: AutoKit CarPlay Wireless CarPlay USB Adapter/Android Wireless USB Adaptor for Wired Android Auto,Fit for All Android 4.4 or Above Car Radio USB Connection : Electronics . Well worth it.

If you have any questions or concerns. Feel free to reach out, I had plenty of problems during my install so I've had to troubleshoot most common issues along the way.

EDIT: Added Wiring Diagram picture and pdf, added in Steering Wheel Controls.
 

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#7 ·
To my knowledge everything should be the same. As long as the system is fiber optic it should be the exact same process. I’m assuming the Bose system just has a different amp and speakers which aren’t touched with this install
 
#9 ·
Glad to hear that. Let me know if you try it and have any issues. The lack of pictures might be confusing but it’s all pretty simple once you figure out what each component does. There’s really only 2 wiring harnesses and 2 fiber optic connections that are used for the entire install
 
#10 ·
Luke, what do you think about the head unit’s functioning? It is hard for me to tell, from the online listings, what the various Android units do, other than Android Auto and/or Apple Carplay.

For example:

Radio FM/AM works?
Audio quality ok?
Bluetooth to smartphone?
Is there a mic to make/answer phone calls?
 
#11 ·
If you aren’t using CarPlay or Android auto, the interface is kind of ugly and doesn’t match the car well. The sound quality should be absolutely fine if you already have the Harmon Kardon sound system since that has its own amp. Radio FM/AM is supported, but I’ve heard it’s difficult to get it to work because you have to run an antenna wire all the way to the back of the car to tap into the antenna amplifier, or you buy your own antenna and install on the car. Could be wrong on that part, there’s other forums that discuss that though. On the one I got, Bluetooth was absolute supported. The interface was again ugly but I was able to play Bluetooth audio. The one I bought also came with a plug in GPS device. For the microphone, there’s one integrated into the headunit itself, the sound quality from that microphone is not the best, so it also comes with a wired microphone that you can run to wherever you want in the car to make the sound quality better for calls. My unit also had a 8 band EQ setting, although front/read fading does not work because of how the audio is set up.

Let me know if you have other questions
 
#13 ·
I bought a 2002 s430 that has no steering wheel controls. I wonder if this car had an aftermarket radio and when they reinstalled the original, they didn’t connect the things back up. I’m getting a reading that says CAN bus B not communicating with (n80) steering control module. I really don’t want to open up the whole dashboard but it looks like that is where we are. I’ve swapped the whole steering wheel twice with the same results.
 
#16 ·
You should be able to confirm switch signals and device actuations with SDS to isolate the problem. Could be the steering wheel or stereo is slightly different from original and not properly registered with the SAM.

Sixto
05 E320 wagon 208K miles
 
#19 ·
OK. Piggybacking. Remove if inappropriate.
I have also posted elsewhere.

My dealer fitted an Adayo CE4M01D headunit in place of the Japanese one.

However they had no Connect2 harness so spiced it in, consequently no SWC, which I want.

Later the dealer supplied Connects2, CTSMC004.2, with CTCHINALEAD.

However, the installer says it will not connect.

Is there anyway I can get a Canbus connection and decoder to make my SWC work.
 
#20 ·
I’m sure there’s a way. The Adayo says swc ready so I’m sure there’s a way to do it. Is the connects2 a steering wheel control harness? I’m confused what that does.

when I installed mine I had a CANBUS decoder That had 2 wires coming off of it on a harness that went into a port on the HU for SWC.That’s the only 2 output wires of the can box that I used. My headunit had to beconfigured to recognize the CANBUS decoder box signals in the settings.
 
#21 ·
I'm getting ready to install an Amase Audio (Android) system on my MB E320 sedan and found your instructions to be the most helpful for my situation. Removal of the stock radio and other items was quite simple. I did purchase a decoder box and a 5m cable to connect from the head unit to the amp in the trunk. Now, as simple as this should be (especially after going over your instructions) I seem to be having a hangup with the connection between the decoder box & the new unit. I do know that the new Amase system has numerous cable configurations included in the package but trying to figure out which one I should be using has stumped me. Can you give me some guidance on how to proceed? Amase link from Amazon
 

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#22 ·
If you have the harman kardon fiber optic system then you do not need to connect directly to the amp via the 5m extension.
The fiber optic box red should go to any 12V acc wire in the car, the yellow should go to constant power, the black should go to ground.
The red and white RCA cables should attach to red and white RCA cables from the headunit, they should both be labeled "audio out"
whichever wiring harness has the 2 red and white RCA cables should be the one you use with the fiber optic decoder. Headunit sends all audio data out through those 2 wires, the fiber optic box converts the audio signals to fiber optic, and sends it back to the amp via the orange fiber cables, the amp will send the audio to the speakers.
 
#24 ·
Hey, I have a 2007 E63 with the Harman Kardon system but it doesn't have the black brick connecter at the front. I'm looking in to it and its seeming like no matter what I'm going to have to bypass the amp and was wondering if you maybe have any experience with it or have information on the the Yellow circular connecter and the Black circular connecter on the back of the amp is. Thank you!
 
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These are all the pictures I took let me know if you need any other pictures. I was originally planning on doing the amp bypass for the reason of why the amp is out but now hearing what you did makes me want to do your solution instead. Wondering what else I would need to. Thank you!
 

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#38 ·
Hi,

I did the complete installation with the fiber optic box (mine only has 2 power wires) and I can't activate my original module to work, should I connect the PINK wire?

If I plug in the original radio it activates the module and everything works.
 
#39 ·
Hi,

I did the complete installation with the fiber optic box (mine only has 2 power wires) and I can't activate my original module to work, should I connect the PINK wire?

If I plug in the original radio it activates the module and everything works.
Pink wire should not be connected to anything. Check the wiring diagram on my write up to verify if yours is correct. Check for voltage at the headunit Audio Out RCA (red/white) cables when audio is playing. If there is changing voltages, and the system does not work, your fiber optic box could be bad.
Scan for diagnostic codes. Any breaks in the fiber optic loop will throw a code
 
#40 ·
I purchased a new head unit and having trouble with battery dying after a few days of not driving vehicle. Any help on issue to prevent this from happening. Have a 2008 R350 with Harmon Karmon, purchase the adapter and not sure the correct places to connect red, and yellow wires.
 
#41 ·
If you’re talking about the adapter for the orange fiber optic lines:

if you have an adapter with 3 wires, red on the adapter goes to ACC on the car (cig lighter positive side), yellow goes to constant 12V (red/yellow from old headunit wire harness), and black goes to ground.
If you have an adapter with 2 wires, yellow wire from adapter goes to ACC on the car (cig lighter positive).

Make sure you don’t have the cig lighter positive wire connected to the CANBUS decoder box red wire as well.
 
#44 ·
Red from blue box goes to any ACC line from the car, easiest to use the cig lighter positive. Yellow from blue box goes to constant power, easiest to use the power cable from old headunit, should be red/yellow.
The picture you posted, is that the harness from the car? It looks much different than the E class harness for the Harman Kardon setup.

You can still use the wiring diagram in this thread, but the wire colors may vary? For audio, all you need is the blue box to be connected properly, and the headunit to be powered on. Blue box just controls audio and nothing else so start with getting power to that and the headunit
 
#46 ·
I have installed an aftermarket Android 12 system in my w211 E500 with HK command system about 3 years ago it's all working well although sometimes it has a little can hissy fit and drops the steering wheel controls, I have put up with the internal Hands free mic on the unit for approximately 3yrs, but recently did an android install in a BMW Mini R56 another HK system but no MOST and persisted in doing continuity etc on the factory mini Handsfree mic in the OHC similar to the W211 after a bit of repinning etc into the Fakra plug on the mini it works as per factory ( that's how I got here)
So I have a couple of questions if anyone has attempted to use the factory fitted mic in the OHC full disclosure I haven't pulled the OHC in my w211 yet to check for the wires and do continuity on them to the Fakra, however I have found the pinouts, over the next week or so I'll pull the head unit and OHC and see If I can get them to talk to each other. My next question is to those with a higher level of Most Knowledge than me. I'm using one of the RCA to Fibre decoders to Trf signal to the amp these are from the front speaker RCA and run through the amp to the front speakers of the car (Hmmm or do they, I don't think I have ever checked that maybe they go to all speakers ) I have a bridging loop in the Most that was connected to the front cd player I have been wondering if I connected a second rca to fibre decoder from the rear RCA out of the android unit to the original cd most input and used the android fader I would get front and rear fading > anyone tried it ?
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