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Before I left for So Cal a bit over a week ago, I was on my way to a Dance Club in Berkeley to see this girl I just met and had lunch with in San Francisco.


This was Gillman Street off I -80 and I was going about 40 mph on this dark and unlit street and BAM!!!!!!


I hit an un signed, (that I could not see if there was a sign, anyhow!!) raised section of road with rr tracks on it.


Even after this, the car did bounce down hard once after going across the rr tracks, and still ran normally.



God only knows what would have happened without the W126 factory skid plate (installed on this lowered car at the insistence of the Indie shop in Santa Ana, CA, back in 1995 !!!!)



So before my huge journey, (to begin a couple of days later) I took the car to the Mercedes Benz dealer in Rocklin, CA. for a oil change, and was given a "Lube Servvice".


Maybe it was *ME* that got the "Lube " Service, as well as the car, because the bill for this was $105 including tax!


I questioned this, and the Service writer (those guys at the dealer that stand between you and the actual techs that WORK on the car, the ones in those long white coats, you know?) said if you JUST had gotten a LOF, the tech would focus ONLY on the oil filter and the oil drain plug, and not even look at anything else under or anywhere on the car, and you would get charged less. Pretty good, pretty slick answer to a question like that....I guess.

(Maybe they rotate your hubcaps too)....



But with their Mercedes Benz "Lubrication Service" they check all fluids, and top off everything as necessary, (not a bad idea on the edge of a 1,000+ mile trip I was about to undertake to So Cal) and inspiect this, inspect that, etc etc, blah, blah blah, yadda yadda yadda.


SO I said, " So.....then most of what you did and charged me all that for, was just LOOKING at this, LOOKING at that, and LOOKING at something else, you hardly even *touched* anything;

Of course he had no answer to that. Anyway ----


Keeping in mind I don't have a hoist or HD jack at home, and was then unaware of this, at the time, he then said the Tech observed your oil pan is squashed, the oil sensor would give an inaccurate reading on the dipstick, you should have a new oil pan put in.


I then instantly remembered the Berkeley railroad tracks the night before this.....uh oh.


"Also the skid plate was badly dented but we think it can be hammered out and put like it was", the SA said to me.


And he said: "We don't have any W126 oil pans in stock, but we can order one for you."


"The cost is $560". ( I was so shocked by it I did not ask if that included labor, which I imagine was likely well over $100-$150 per hour at this Mercedes Benz dealer these days...)


But I authorised it on the thinking that even if they charged that high, for something as important as a new oil pan, that if they screwed up, like let's say not putting all the bolts back on, and missed some, at least they are a Mercedes Benz dealer and there is recourse, all the way up to Mercedes Benz HQ itself, if the engine got destroyed if the oil all leaked out fast and the engine seized or something....

With an Independent shop it could be a lot different, probably.



They said "We will call you when the part comes in."



They eventually did but by then, I was already down near San Diego, almost a thousand miles from there.


In fact when I got back here, there was well over a thousand miles on the car, so it least it ran, and still runs well.


(Thank heavens for the factory W126 skid plate, without it on this lowered car, this would likely be a LOT different of a conversation; Satish Tummala ran across a railroad track in his first car, a Signal Red 1977 240 Diesel, which had no skid plate, and lost his whole motor because of no skid plate, just tore up the pan and lost his the motor, instant major castrophe.)



Now I am ready to decide: Go ahead and authorize the dealer to replace this, (and why not put new oil in, too?), and straighten the skid plate, or take it to an Independent mechanic (Ernie's Independent in Sacramento is good and would probably charge less, Ernst Koch also knows the W126 cars really well and has worked on them for years...)

Your thoughts please...
 

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Since you authorized them to order the pan, you're half-way committed. I'd buy it from them and take it to one of the Indy garages that you mentioned.
 

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my 560 SEC does not have the skid plate. If anyone has one for sale let me know.


Unfortunately, as of 2003 they are NLA.


But there may be a few OEM or NOS ones kicking around, though.


VERY worthwhile investment on a lowered W126 sedan/coupe; as I just found out.:)
 

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Something smells fishy here. I know its not a dealer, and Jonathan doesn't have a website, but I checked Randy Steele's site, part number is 117 010 01 28 and its $34.95. Gasket is $7.95 or $21.95 depending on what brand you get. Nowhere near $560!

Rusty has the pan for $63 and gasket for $13.
 

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Something smells fishy here. I know its not a dealer, and Jonathan doesn't have a website, but I checked Randy Steele's site, part number is 117 010 01 28 and its $34.95. Gasket is $7.95 or $21.95 depending on what brand you get. Nowhere near $560!

Rusty has the pan for $63 and gasket for $13.



Thank you Markus, I will look into this some more.
 

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+1 on the skid plate. My pan already has a shallow dent, and I like keeping the oil in my engine. Perhaps the skid plate could be copied? I can't imagine it being a complex part.
 

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Check Autohauz Ariz. for their prices.
It's not hard to replace the pan. I can do it here with a jack and acouple jack stands. and something to catch the used oil in. I need to replace the pan on Mariah. I noticed sometime in the past she has had a hit and deformed it.
The Tech meant that the Oil Dip Stick reading or the sensor reading or both could be off. the sensor has nothing to do with the dipstick.
Oil pans for 126's are on Ebay all the time, new and used, but I don't know if they are all OEM. They are cheaper and most come with the gaskets.
 

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I'd take it to an indy, no question about it.

The skid plate is pretty straight forward. I have no idea what a shop would charge to make one, but it's definitely less than the $350 for an OEM one. I'm going to fab one up at some point. 1/4" aluminum plate should do it.

I purchased my gasket from the dealer for about $15, and an oil pan from Lemforder for $50. New drain plug was $4.

Interesting note about the Lemforder pan: When I went to screw in the OEM fill plug I purchased at the dealer, it was a no-go. I checked the threads on the oil plug and they were 12mm by 1.5. I checked the "original" pan plug my car had in the old pan and it was 12mm by 1.75. I checked the threads on the Lemforder oil pan (old pan was long gone) and they were some thread that didn't match the 12mm major diameter.

Frustrated, I just ran a 12x1.5mm tap through the bastardized thread in the Lemforder pan and, to my amazement, it didn't strip. Threads look good and, from what I can tell, it seals. Complete and utter PITA though; make sure the fill plug goes in before putting the pan on. No one wants to have to remove the pan to suck out all the tap filings.:mad:

(On Edit)- I never actually found out what the thread on the pan was, but it looked very close to a 7/16" UNF. Don't ask...
 

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Update.

I just got off the phone with the Manager of the Service Department of the Mercedes Benz dealer in question, who said a mistake may have been made in their calculation of the estimate, for this job, and the SA I had when I was there, will call me back with the estimate, for the complete breakdown, for parts and labor, on the price.

The manager did not know, of course, but he estimated it might come back at 2-3 hours labor @$130 per hour (pretty reasonable for California Mercedes Dealers these days, I think) and a new Mercedes Benz oil level sensor, 2-piece oil pan, gasket and bolts. They would be willing to put in fresh oil (presumably at my expense, since I asked) since I have done over 1,000 miles since my visit last week down there at The Mercedes Benz dealer.


I am supposed to know within the hour....



The only compelling reason to have this done at the Mercedes Benz dealer (and I have not used one of them for about 5 years or more) is the fact that if the job got botched, (and it's important to do an oil pan replacement correctly,)is there could be some recourse short of a lawsuit, all the way up to Mercedes Benz of North America.



If this one got done wrong and the engine seized, for loss of oil, it would be damned expensive.
 

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Actually Jim, that sounds pretty close to a good price. I am sure they have thier reasons for wanting to change both the upper and lower pan (maybe part of it collapsed) plus both gaskets, about 30 screws/bolts, the oil baffle (maybe) $500 in parts is good. $40 usd for a lower pan is about right, but the upper lists for right around $500 if I remember correctly. $40 in the 2 gaskets, $25 in bolts and you got yourself a deal.

Bet they are gonna try to make thier money in the "while we are in there" filter change and service, etc....plus labor.

I would do it if I were in your shoes and I really needed the upper pan as they stated to you.

Greg
 

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Jim, glad that nothing serious happened to your engine. As others pointed out.. you could get it repaired properly for much cheaper than what the dealership quoted you.
 

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I replaced my dented oil pan 2 years ago with one from AutohausAZ and all is well. Mercedes USA list price is US$ 119.00 for this item (1170100128). Whatever the stealer quoted you must not be the oil pan but the aluminum housing.
 

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I replaced my dented oil pan 2 years ago with one from AutohausAZ and all is well. Mercedes USA list price is US$ 119.00 for this item (1170100128). Whatever the stealer quoted you must not be the oil pan but the aluminum housing.
Exactly. The quote being for 2 piece oil pan the inexpensive part 117 010 01 28 is the lower pan that people have replaced for 40 bucks themselves. The expensive part is the upper main part of the oil pan # 117 010 03 13 which lists for around $500.

Snibble is right. Take the parts that you have bought from the dealer and see if your indy will do it for you. Much better rates for an easy install.
 

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Or just walk away and get it done somewhere else for waaay cheaper or just DIY. If you didnt sign anything or pre pay, youre not required to buy it. Replacing a lower pan is not rocket science.
 

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I just replaced my (lower) oil pan a couple of months ago...the plug screw apparently got stripped by the lube monkey doing the oil change. Only paid for OEM gasket, got the pan (used but meticulously polished) incl. lift time, install, and 8q synthetic oil by slipping one of my guys at the recycling yard $50. Whole spiel took less than an hour, and under $100 total.
 

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DIY. Four bolts takes off the skid plate, then a dozen or so allen head cap screws hold the pan in place. Get a new drain plug bolt "just because".

Go ahead and ask me how I know.

Dented Mike
 
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