[Tarek928]

Hello all,

I've scoured the internet and researched manuals and spoke to suppliers to no avail. I can't find the engine number, as it's probably painted over, or just simply missing. I've provided the engine number to a similar engine out of a similar SEE, but that didn't get me far with the sources I found, who cannot guaranty the parts they have fit this engine. I would greatly appreciate it if someone has a reference that identifies the following part numbers. A recommended source for them would also be greatly appreciated:

Crankshaft bearing set - standard size
Coonecting Rod bearing set - standard size
Front main seal
Rear main seal
Oil pan gasket

Thanks in advance,
Tarek

 

[choprboy]

You want to go download the parts and tools Technical Manuals, TM-5-2420-224-24P-1 and TM-5-2420-224-24P-2, which list the basic part numbers, from there you can see if the part has been superseded by a newer part number.

Section 0005-00:
#6 Main bearing std (set?) 366-030-10-40
#7 Main thrust bearing std 366-030-02-45

Section 0007-00:
#13 Connecting rod std 352-038-38-10

Section 0009-00:
#15 Front seal 352-015-05-20, part of kits 353-010-48-08
#?? Rear seal - this one is hard. Seems to be missing from the appropriate diagrams, looks to possibly be a 001-997-xx-xx number from other sources and part of kit 353-010-48-08

Section 0014-00:
#11-13 ,25 Oil pan gasket set, multiple, part of kits: 353-010-48-08 or 352-010-22-80

From the manual you can also pull the NSN and then run it back thru your favorite resource (I prefer GL, nsn-info, and nsn-now) to see what other manufacturer numbers are associated with the NSN.
366-030-10-40 -> 3120-01-237-5293 -> 352-030-07-40 or 352-030-07-40

 

[expeditionimports]

Hi Tarek,

Not sure if you spoke with us, but my guess is most dealers are going to have the same take on this. You do not know your engine number. There in lies the problem.

If I special order in parts for you and they are the wrong parts, are you going to pay the return shipping? If they aren't on the shelf and I have ordered them out of Germany, then I have a good bit of inventory sitting, as it is very difficult to return parts to MB coming out of Germany.

While your alternate SEE motor number is probably accurate (not a huge amount of variation on the SEE's) there is still risk.

Assuming you are willling to accept that risk, my guess is most any dealer would be willing to handle it. If not, then you are going to run into the same issues you are running into now.

Generally we are on the hook to spec. the correct part. When we don't have the information to spec it properly, that risk is going to fall to you.

If you really want to be golden......use the TM's listed above, as well as a subscription to the EPC which will allow you to bring the old TM part numbers up to the most recent MB part numbers. We are finding that quite a bit of the TM part numbers have been superceeded at least once.

As an aside......pretty sure I have most of that on the shelf....

Cheers,

Scott

 

[Tarek928]

Thank you so much Choprboy and Scott!!! That was fantastic information!!! I can't believe with all my research, I wasn't able to locate these particular manuals!!!

And yes Scott, Choprboy's findings give me a greater courage to take the risk on the return shipping. Hopefully all indeed checks out in the end and nothing from Germany is needed.

I will be calling you tomorrow Scott

Cheers to you and Choprboy - whom I owe a favorite beverage

Tarek

 

[choprboy]

If your going to have a 419... or like me, slowly turn your 404 into a 419, you should really pull all of the manuals. They can be a bit confusing and hard to find stuff in various places, but there is a lot of information hidden in there that will give you clues where to look for other things. They can be downloaded from the ultimate sticky on the main forum or I can give some direct link.

LO-5-2420-224-12 - FLU419 Lube Chart
TM-5-2420-224-10-HR - Operator hand receipt
TM-5-2420-224-10 - Operator manual
TM-5-2420-224-14 - Transportability guide
TM-5-2420-224-20-1 - FLU419 Technical manual Vol1
TM-5-2420-224-20-2 - FLU419 Technical manual Vol2
TM-5-2420-224-24P-1 - FLU419 Parts and tools Vol1
TM-5-2420-224-24P-2 - FLU419 Parts and tools Vol2
TM-5-2420-224-34 - FLU419 Repair manual

 

[Mohmog]

thanks for the list of manuals Choprboy.

They should make a handy reference!

I have only used one of them as yet but certainly a good idea for the library!

 

[Tarek928]

Scott,

Would you please return my call? Trying to order these parts but have not received a return call yet
Thank you
Tarek

Hi Tarek,

Not sure if you spoke with us, but my guess is most dealers are going to have the same take on this. You do not know your engine number. There in lies the problem.

If I special order in parts for you and they are the wrong parts, are you going to pay the return shipping? If they aren't on the shelf and I have ordered them out of Germany, then I have a good bit of inventory sitting, as it is very difficult to return parts to MB coming out of Germany.

While your alternate SEE motor number is probably accurate (not a huge amount of variation on the SEE's) there is still risk.

Assuming you are willling to accept that risk, my guess is most any dealer would be willing to handle it. If not, then you are going to run into the same issues you are running into now.

Generally we are on the hook to spec. the correct part. When we don't have the information to spec it properly, that risk is going to fall to you.

If you really want to be golden......use the TM's listed above, as well as a subscription to the EPC which will allow you to bring the old TM part numbers up to the most recent MB part numbers. We are finding that quite a bit of the TM part numbers have been superceeded at least once.

As an aside......pretty sure I have most of that on the shelf....

Cheers,

Scott

 

[expeditionimports]

Check your ticket.

Received: 5/18/2015 10:53:06 AM
Response: 5/18/2015 11:59:52 AM

All in stock with prices with exception of thrust bearing which would have to ship from Defense Contractor on East Coast.

Cheers,

Scott

 

[Tarek928]

Thank you Scott for the super fast response to the ticket. I think I'm not clear on the front and rear seals, but I'm sure you'll address that. Thanks again.

To anyone else not using EI's ticket system, you should try it out. Scott is not joking when stating it's the fastetst way to get a response. I learned that the hard way, by waiting for too long and insisting on using only the phone. Lesson learned

Check your ticket.

Received: 5/18/2015 10:53:06 AM
Response: 5/18/2015 11:59:52 AM

All in stock with prices with exception of thrust bearing which would have to ship from Defense Contractor on East Coast.

Cheers,

Scott

 

[Farmguy]

Choprboy
I ran across your post about all of the various Manuels that are available on the FLU419. Can you tell me of a site or contact that I caould use to purchase some of these Manuels. I bought a 1987 freightliner Flu 419, and as you might imagine I know very little about it or how to operate it let alone work on it. At present time I'am having a problem with what appears to be the transmission locking up immediately after it starts to pull away in high gear range, and now difficult to engage it in gear in the high range. I am concerned it could be operator error. I live just south of San Antonio Tx. and don't have a local contact to which I can go to as of yet, it would be nice to have someone take a look at this beast and tell me something about it. For now I will just seek Manuels I guess. Thanks for listening to me ramble.

 

[expeditionimports]

The manuals are in the public domain and available in quite a few places on the net.

We have them on our tech site here if needed:

https://support.expeditionimports.com/hc/en-us/articles/217428987-SEE-FLU419-HMMH-PDF-Manuals

Cheers,

Scott

 

[peakbagger]

A fyi the best way to use the manuals is on the PC. I printed out a few of the manuals and find that I rarely use them. Its lot quicker to use CTL F on the PDF files and search the manual. On occasion I will print out a page or two for immediate reference but keeping them electronic is the way to go

 

[jjmjmn]

If your going to have a 419... or like me, slowly turn your 404 into a 419, you should really pull all of the manuals. They can be a bit confusing and hard to find stuff in various places, but there is a lot of information hidden in there that will give you clues where to look for other things. They can be downloaded from the ultimate sticky on the main forum or I can give some direct link.

LO-5-2420-224-12 - FLU419 Lube Chart
TM-5-2420-224-10-HR - Operator hand receipt
TM-5-2420-224-10 - Operator manual
TM-5-2420-224-14 - Transportability guide
TM-5-2420-224-20-1 - FLU419 Technical manual Vol1
TM-5-2420-224-20-2 - FLU419 Technical manual Vol2
TM-5-2420-224-24P-1 - FLU419 Parts and tools Vol1
TM-5-2420-224-24P-2 - FLU419 Parts and tools Vol2
TM-5-2420-224-34 - FLU419 Repair manual

Hi, it's been a couple years since your post, bu t if you are still available I am looking for the repair manual for a unimog excavator/backhoe. I believe the tech # is TM-5420-224-34 as stated in your post. I can't figure out how to access the ultimate sticky you spoke of on "main forum" page. Do I need to be a member? if you have a link and could send it to [email protected] I would greatly appreciate it. Can't pul anything up on internet search.

 

[peakbagger]

Just go to the link that Scott from Expedition Imports posted a few posts back.

Its not worth printing them out, best idea is load them on a laptop and use the CTFL F function. The information is scattered around through the manuals and many repairs are not covered but the parts breakdown can make thing easier to figure it out. One thing harder to find is the wiring diagram. There are a couple of scanned versions out there or someone is selling them on Ebay. Its not 100% complete but in combination with the electrical diagnosis section in the manuals there is enough info.

There is a lot of SEE specific info on the Steel Soldiers Unimog subforum. Many SEEs have the same issues so no need to reinvent the wheel.

 

[choprboy]

They are already listed in multiple places, including multiple threads here, Rocky Mountain Moggers, Liberated Manuals, Expedition Imports, and my own site. Google and Bing searches come up with all the above. ... but here they are once again:
LO-5-2420-224-12 - FLU419 Lube Chart
TM-5-2420-224-10-HR - Operator hand receipt
TM-5-2420-224-10 - Operator manual
TM-5-2420-224-14 - Transportability guide
TM-5-2420-224-20-1 - FLU419 Technical manual Vol1
TM-5-2420-224-20-2 - FLU419 Technical manual Vol2
TM-5-2420-224-24P-1 - FLU419 Parts and tools Vol1
TM-5-2420-224-24P-2 - FLU419 Parts and tools Vol2
TM-5-2420-224-34 - FLU419 Repair manual

See also version 2 of the technical manuals which include additional pneumatic diagrams and diagnostics information:
TM-5-2420-224-20-1 - FLU419 Technical manual Vol1 - Version 2
TM-5-2420-224-20-2 - FLU419 Technical manual Vol2 - Version 2

Also of note are the manuals for the special auger and sand bagging attachments.
TM-5-2590-512-13-and-P - FLU419 auger manual
FLU419 Sandbagging front loader

 

[peakbagger]

There is one more document that recently popped up for SEEs. Its a set of handouts for training SEE mechanics. There are some nice diagrams I haven't seen before on the hydraulic system function. It also has some information on the location of STE/ICE components and a pin out of the connector (that are not documented in the manuals). The quality is not great but the information is. https://www.steelsoldiers.com/showt...cavator-flu-419-manuals-and-a-student-handout.