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Anyone using either of these in their headlamps? I did a forum search and found 12 year old posts, some stating 100W bulbs would cause spontaneous combustion but seemingly w/o actual anecdotal evidence. Existing wiring looks sketchy and was considering upgrading with this regardless:


I read here where some swear by the Daniel Stern 65W remake Rallye bulbs and now see Osram makes an H7 80W and 100W.

Would like to understand what others are using and their actual experiences. TIA

 

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The headlight harness appears to be a weak link in the 210. I don't like the idea of
inserting a 6" longer, larger gauge wire with HD connectors and thinking that is an
acceptable fix for the wiring. That product is only a solution for a weak plug.

In my opinion, one should replace the light sub-harness with one of larger gauge
and/or install a relay just before each headlight....if you're even contemplating such
an increase in load with the higher wattage lights.
 

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I suspect you would get lamp defective faults due to overcurrent.
 

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Not trolling you, but why use outdated Halogen Tech when brighter HID or even newer LED Tech Bulbs are readily available ?

x2 what Raymond said, the wiring - esp inside our w210 headlamp lens housing, is of the 'biodegradable' type insulation & real hazard when the cars get older ?

I did replace my housings and lens due to this issue plus lens was crazed (yellowed) from age. I got new Depo brand housings - pair and projector beam upgarde also for around $ 165 ish - 5 years ago from Amazon.

I then put in 35w HID system - pretty huge light upgrade.

Last year, I swapped up to the 35w LED, (Fanless with Heat sink) and I'm done with upgrading the lighting is perfect looks modern & like the sun at night.

Depo Housings still look super.

On my 1997 Cummins Ram I had used the 100w Halogens in a separate switched Off Road Light set - they were quite bright but the bulbs were expensive & short lived.

I eventually went back to a 55w Blue tinted bulb & they're still that & work decently well.

The particular Ram truck light housings are shallow, or I'd be trading up to the same H7 LEDs that are in the w210.

Cheers - David in Texas
 

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well, one can make a case for 'old tech' halogen bulb based on the simple fact
that the headlight reflector is calibrated and tuned for the H7 halogen bulb.
anecdotal modifications using unnamed LED modules in other headlights is
pointless and not proof that it will work in the 210 headlight. it's all about the
focal point and balance between the headlight (design) and the light source,
be it HID, filament, or LED (of which there are no standards).

if you pick out two magnifying glass and try to start a fire, you will undoubtedly
discover that the distance you hold them for that ahhh-just-perfect convergence
of light will differ. same holds true for headlight beam quality and focus. it's
comes back down to the unshakeable laws of physics.

you can select two LED H7 brands and insert them into the 210 headlight, one
(if you're lucky) will produce a focused and bright beam, the other LED
will be bright and unfocused (ie uncontrolled glare). so it's like that famous
philosopher said "well, do I feel lucky...?"
 

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I've changed over to led with great success
98 e430 original reflector lens
No glare and oncoming drivers do not flash me
BIG BIG improvement, cheap too.
I followed this guys advice at
Bulbfacts.com
Serious, well researched stuff and easy to understand.
Changed out my motorcycle bulbs too.
No errors.
I'm completely sold. You'll never go back to halogen.

Sent from my LG-H918 using Tapatalk
 

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Bulbfacts testing is extremely limited so there is no data showing performance
for the 210 reflector based headlight other than 'it is bright' which, in and of itself,
hasn't yet passed the litmus test for playing nice with other drivers.
 

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Hi Raymond and I'm trying to be helpful.
My personal experience is the led bulbs as recommended on Bulb facts.com for use in reflector housings are brighter and throw light further than halogen.
When shining onto my garage door I can see a distinct upper cut off of the light. This is amply demonstrated on the web site.
Best of all oncoming drivers do not flash me.
I'd recommend that given the very pronounced light improvement that members try for themselves.
The site has links to Amazon and they have a liberal return policy.
Maybe see for yourselves?

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I have absolutely no issues with you so don't feel as though my opinion was
any other than that. Lighting is a safety issue. If there is no support for
a review other than words, I would not recommend that anyone perform
such a modification (illegal anyway in most of the US for public roads)
should proceed with extreme caution. The person ending up paying the
price of a failed vehicle inspection is never the person making the
recommendation which is why I may prod for the ubiquitous "pics or it
didn't happen." Photos of beam cutoff, horizontal as well as vertical
spread are always welcomed.

I wanted folks to be aware of the drawbacks for any light reviews, especially
when the glowing reports come from the website selling the product.

One of the best (illegal) modifications I've seen were from a forum member
when retrofits were unheard of. He was extreme in testing and verified
focus, beam cutoff and continued to adjust to eliminate uncontrolled glare.
I liked it so well I made the same modification
. 314468h.jpg
 

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One of the best (illegal) modifications I've seen were from a forum member
when retrofits were unheard of. He was extreme in testing and verified
focus, beam cutoff and continued to adjust to eliminate uncontrolled glare.
I liked it so well I made the same modification
Please tell us more...;)
 

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the forum member was Zam2000 and the mod was made with a bixenon projector out
of an Acura TL (fading memory) into a Depo enclosure. not an easy a mod as using a
MB w211 bixenon (which would have sufficed for most folks). this is not a cheap mod
and the admission price came to over $500 and requires interm/advanced retrofit skills
 

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I have absolutely no issues with you so don't feel as though my opinion was
any other than that. Lighting is a safety issue. If there is no support for
a review other than words, I would not recommend that anyone perform
such a modification (illegal anyway in most of the US for public roads)
should proceed with extreme caution. The person ending up paying the
price of a failed vehicle inspection is never the person making the
recommendation which is why I may prod for the ubiquitous "pics or it
didn't happen." Photos of beam cutoff, horizontal as well as vertical
spread are always welcomed.

I wanted folks to be aware of the drawbacks for any light reviews, especially
when the glowing reports come from the website selling the product.

One of the best (illegal) modifications I've seen were from a forum member
when retrofits were unheard of. He was extreme in testing and verified
focus, beam cutoff and continued to adjust to eliminate uncontrolled glare.
I liked it so well I made the same modification
. View attachment 2622112
I have absolutely no issues with you so don't feel as though my opinion was
any other than that. Lighting is a safety issue. If there is no support for
a review other than words, I would not recommend that anyone perform
such a modification (illegal anyway in most of the US for public roads)
should proceed with extreme caution. The person ending up paying the
price of a failed vehicle inspection is never the person making the
recommendation which is why I may prod for the ubiquitous "pics or it
didn't happen." Photos of beam cutoff, horizontal as well as vertical
spread are always welcomed.

I wanted folks to be aware of the drawbacks for any light reviews, especially
when the glowing reports come from the website selling the product.

One of the best (illegal) modifications I've seen were from a forum member
when retrofits were unheard of. He was extreme in testing and verified
focus, beam cutoff and continued to adjust to eliminate uncontrolled glare.
I liked it so well I made the same modification
. View attachment 2622112
Totally follow your train of thought and yes your attached photo looks great.
I have enjoyed and gotten many $ saving tips from this forum and it has helped me to keep both of my w210s on the road - 98 E430 323k miles and 02 E55 140k miles

My comments on my experience with LED bulbs on both of my W210s are/were intended to contribute to the discussion.

Enjoy the ride !
 
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