Mercedes-Benz Forum banner

161 - 180 of 1105 Posts

·
Outstanding Contributor , SDS Guru
Joined
·
3,214 Posts
I guess the real question should be does it work on vehicles newer the 2014. I hope somebody has an answer.
Short answer: Yes it does.

Long answer: There's some caveat though. If the software that's on the car is newer than the Xentry, there's a good 50% chance that it might not be able to read it (ie. error out or say no communication).

FWIW, I had no problem connecting to 2012, 2013 and 2014 MB with 9/2011 Xentry on my laptop.

I've since then upgraded it to 3/2015, but that was only to enable online programming.

And yes, there is a workaround to get online with cloned SDS C4 and program using the latest files from MB, but it's difficult.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2 Posts
scan tool manual

Not a big computer guy but can get around. Wondering how to get infomation on using this c4. Didn't come with any instruction but got the start key going and ready to scan my 95sl500. I connected to the 38 pin port and really don't know how to make full use of this tool. Any info would be a great help....
 

·
Outstanding Contributor , SDS Guru
Joined
·
3,214 Posts
Open Xentry, select your car, hit the little button that has a picture of a car on a lift and you should be good to go.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4 Posts
Don't worry about the C4 the one you ordered should work just fine. I have not tried the software on a Mac and strongly doubt that it will work.
Its hard enough to get it to work in Win XP. I hear roomers about Xentry Shell version that is suppose to work in Win 7, but I have not bin able to locate one.
Paul600600, thanks for your reply.

Everyone, here is my experience so far: Ordered my system on 7th Aug and DHL delivered the system on 13th Aug. ('2015 New Cost Effective Mb Star C4 for both Cars and Trucks with Xentry' from AliExpress - with the Dell D630 hdd loaded with Diagnosis data version 09/2014, which is the offline version). It was shipped from Hong Kong. I did not have to pay any extra fees like Custom duty or any other fees.

I love this tool. I am kicking myself for not having acquired it sooner. I started exploring all the interfaces and their features and I am totally impressed. I am big diesel fan and I have a 2006 E320 CDI (USA) with 305 K Miles on it (can’t wait till 312K Miles to get the next High Mileage Award from MB). All along I have relied on the internet to do my research on my cars and diesel engines, especially by visiting forums like this, to gather information to troubleshoot and be able to get the repairs done on my car. Again, thanks to everyone’s feedback on the tool, I finally took the plunge and bought the MB Star Diagnosis system.

I have been using the STAR DIAGNOSIS/XENTRY/DAS (Diagnosis Assistance System) interface a lot. Using this, I no longer feel like I am flying blind anymore. Now I am empowered with the fact that I can talk to my car and analyze everything that is going on with all its different systems and their control units. I am learning a lot every day and discovering a lot of useful things from this tool.

Some things I have done and started to do:

1. I had a bunch of stored fault codes and got them all cleared after careful analysis. I did print out the fault codes before erasing them. Clearing the fault memory brought the car out of its stupor. The engine is growling again after clearing a CDI 3 fault code. The code/text/status was: “2011-001/Check component B2/5 (Hot film mass air flow sensor). Sensitivity drift Air mass ratio for calculated quantity (top)/STORED”. I have been analyzing this fault via DAS interface and ran the diagnostics on the MAF and the MAF readings show that it is within range. Maybe the MAF sensor is on its last leg and I’ll wait and see if that code pops up again. Anyway, clearing this code, I got my unleashed beast back. :grin
2. I thought we had to remove the fuel injectors in order to check the compression values in the cylinders with a compression gauge but the DAS interface measures and visually displays the compression values of all the cylinders for you when engine is in idle. Looks like the electronics in the injectors themselves send a feedback on the pressures in the cylinders via the ECU to the MUX and on to DAS interface but I may be wrong on this. (No wonder the Diesel fuel injectors cost > $450 each for my E320 CDI, before tax! :eek) The DAS display bars show the current values to the normal range values. How cool is that! Everything looks good with the cylinder compression values even with the high mileage on the car. :smile
3. Next, using DAS, I am going to check and verify that the injector’s IMA coding was entered correctly for a couple of the diesel fuel injectors I had to replace (due to ‘black death’ syndrome). This is from a service document I found on WIS (attached to the thread), “After an injector has been replaced in a vehicle with a DK of version 0/5 or higher, the class must be assigned to the corresponding cylinder in the CLASSIFICATION menu item using STAR DIAGNOSIS during control unit adaptation. A new feature DK 0/5 introduces is the option to shut down individual injectors for diagnostic purposes while the engine is running.
And this:
After the injectors have been replaced, the IMA coding is entered using STAR DIAGNOSIS under menu item:
- Control unit
- Drive
- CDI 3
- Control unit adaptation
- Injectors injection quantity adjustment


I will be practicing in the DAS Simulator mode first before I go on the DAS developer mode.

The above 3 steps were to give you an idea on just few of the many things you can do with this Star Diagnosis tool.

All I can say is WOW! I already got back the return on this investment. For a true MB enthusiast, this tool is a must have.
 

Attachments

·
Registered
Joined
·
117 Posts
Hello!
Thanks much for suggesting this unit; my D630 and Xentry just arrived! However, whenever I double-click on Xentry, it says "No access authorization code!..."
How would I use the key generator? There is nowhere to paste the keys that I could find...
Does the mux need to be connected w/ the laptop only w/ the COM port? What about the other side?

Thanks much!

I'm just confused since it came with no directions. I just want to connect w/ my 01 ML320 to clear some codes.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
462 Posts
Mine too!
Paul600600 remote accessed into my system and showed me how to use the keygens.
I think you have the same problem as me. After using the keygen it only lasts a day on my system.
It only take a minute to make work again once you know how.
I'll look at mine in the morning if no one else helps you tonight.
Vince
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7 Posts
Fuel Injector IMA coding - Mission accomplished

3. Next, using DAS, I am going to check and verify that the injector’s IMA coding was entered correctly for a couple of the diesel fuel injectors I had to replace (due to ‘black death’ syndrome). This is from a service document I found on WIS (attached to the thread), “After an injector has been replaced in a vehicle with a DK of version 0/5 or higher, the class must be assigned to the corresponding cylinder in the CLASSIFICATION menu item using STAR DIAGNOSIS during control unit adaptation. A new feature DK 0/5 introduces is the option to shut down individual injectors for diagnostic purposes while the engine is running.
And this:
After the injectors have been replaced, the IMA coding is entered using STAR DIAGNOSIS under menu item:
- Control unit
- Drive
- CDI 3
- Control unit adaptation
- Injectors injection quantity adjustment


I will be practicing in the DAS Simulator mode first before I go on the DAS developer mode.
A quick update on the IMA coding on the Fuel Injectors: Of the two new ones I had gotten replaced, the indie shop technician I go to did tell me that he couldn't update cylinder # 1 for some reason. He has the 'Autel Maxisys' Diagnostics tool. So I went in there via my DAS and cylinder 1 still had the old code. The code I had for the new one was 7RA1FN, from what we could read of the inscription on the top of the fuel injector head. It did not take it. So I replaced number 1 for the letter I (7RAIFN), lo and behold, the new setting was accepted. And wow, what a difference it makes. There used to be a slight shudder in the engine during heavy acceleration but not anymore. It is smooth as silk. These MB diesel engines are so finely engineered !! And there you go, mission accomplished with the help of MB Star. :nerd

Now onto to my car's next control unit analysis. Since the car has a little asthmatic acceleration initially from standstill, my suspect is the MAF sensor. I think it may be on its last legs. Lets find out. :grin
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
379 Posts
mshahnoora,

I can show you how to generate the keys, all you have to to do get the computer online somehow WiFi or Ethernet, start Team Viewer and PM the ID and PW to me.
Takes only a few minutes.
Paul
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7 Posts
All Forum Members:

There are lots of software programs that are included with this baby:

1) DAS Simulator
2) Xentry Simulator
3) STAR Utilities
4) WIS
5) EPC
6) Key Dongle
7) SD Media
(applicable for SL R230's and later, plus all other late model vehicles. Provides videos and PDF files on repairs, and How To's)
8) Team Viewer
9) XENTRY AKT
10) DAS-offline Tools
11) Support Tool
12) STAR Finder 2009
(locates all the parts of your vehicle and gives a picture of it, too. Includes R129)
13) DAS
14) Xentry



God Bless, Arctic
Arctic, I can't thank you enough for giving me the confidence to invest in this tool with your wonderful posts. If you ever come down here to Alabama, we can go over to the MB factory in Tuscaloosa which is an hour drive from Montgomery. My treat!

I have a question on the different apps you have listed. I have all the 14 you have . But I am not able to open the following applications:

Xentry
XENTRY AKT
Xentry Simulation

I get this error: "No access authorization code! You must contact the User Help Desk."

So any ideas? I can access DAS and have been using the developer mode too. Is Xentry not necessary for my version? Please help resolve. I have a screen print of my StarKeyCenter attached for reference.
 

Attachments

·
Registered
Joined
·
36 Posts
The same seller has this on sale for $315 (10% off). Ends Monday. Got mine yesterday, will setup tomorrow.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
461 Posts
I think I may need to get a HDD or laptop with a newer version down the line. Using a copy from 2010 in Russian, but works just fine for my HHTwin R129 (didn't make the cut for DAS) and I still have the developer mode. Runs in a VM and through a USB-Serial converter.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
379 Posts
I recently upgraded to a Panasonic tough-book, I still have a Dell D630 in excellent condition. With Xentry 03-2015 I would sell it for $200 or so. Or you can get the HD only.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
150 Posts
Just ordered the tool through Aliexpress that was linked on page 2. Also ordered a new to me Dell 630 for a dedicated laptop.
Since this C4 is not wireless (not a huge issue but being able to have the computer on the work bench and not right next to the car would be nice. Has anyone tried something like the link below with any success? If it works, it would give the function of the wifi but at a fraction of the cost difference.

http://smile.amazon.com/USR-WIFI232-200-Power-Serial-Module-Converter/dp/B00RFBMYYM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1441143738&sr=8-2&keywords=serial+to+wifi&pebp=1441143907208&perid=059Q8TVN8P8TCBXCV2SC
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
36 Posts
Just ordered the tool through Aliexpress that was linked on page 2. Also ordered a new to me Dell 630 for a dedicated laptop.
Since this C4 is not wireless (not a huge issue but being able to have the computer on the work bench and not right next to the car would be nice. Has anyone tried something like the link below with any success? If it works, it would give the function of the wifi but at a fraction of the cost difference.

http://smile.amazon.com/USR-WIFI232-200-Power-Serial-Module-Converter/dp/B00RFBMYYM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1441143738&sr=8-2&keywords=serial+to+wifi&pebp=1441143907208&perid=059Q8TVN8P8TCBXCV2SC
I'm not sure how this would work. I assume you would need one at both ends. And how do you get them to talk to each other? If you need to install software, you can't do that at the mux end. Might do the job, but seems a bit clunky with the module x 2, power cube x 2, cables x 2. My $.02, don't spend it all in one place :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
379 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
36 Posts
I have to agree with hamster, also keep in mind you have to be able to set the Com port to Com2 some of the port imulators don't let you do that. And on the one you posted its not clear how the software works. I would just go with a RS232 extension like this one.

Amazon.com: C2G / Cables To Go 09453 DB9 M/F Serial RS232 Extension Cable (50 Feet): Electronics

Paul
Here's what I did for wireless access to the MUX, which does not have a wireless adapter:

Steps 1 and 2 are only necessary if you want to avoid any automatic updates from taking place on the Dell. If you are not concerned about that, start with step 3.

1) On Dell, get MAC address of internal wireless adapter.
2) Put rule on my router that blocks that MAC address from getting to the internet.
3) On Dell, enable wireless adapter and connect to local network. (There's a switch on the side of the D630 that has to be slid forward.)
4) On Dell, enable remote desktop connections.
5) On Dell, get the default username and password out of the registry for the autologin. (on mine, user=star, pwd=User$star2004)
6) I also mapped a drive back to my main computer, where I store all my notes and tips about my SL. This will be handy while I am in the garage. I can also store any test results that way, so I don't have to worry about the Dell bombing and loosing all the data.

OK, so I stretched it a bit. This is wireless access to the Dell, not the MUX. But it does what I wanted. Now I can leave the Dell and the MUX in the garage, and connect to the 'system' from any other computer in my house, including my iPad. And I don't have to worry about unwanted updates on the Dell. Granted, if you actually want to run some tests, you will need to visit the garage to turn your ignition on, and you now have to be sure you don't get involved with too many 12 oz deadweights and forget about it.

My next project is to determined how to turn the Xentry automatic updates off, so I can connect to the internet from the Dell without worry. Sometimes when you're working on something, it's nice to be able to 'ask the google'.
 
161 - 180 of 1105 Posts
About this Discussion
1.1K Replies
164 Participants
ceta4zng
Mercedes-Benz Forum
BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more!
Full Forum Listing
Top