[93 BENZ S400SEL]

93 BENZ 400SEL Wrote :
I dont know what EPC is , but could you get me the correct parts numbers for the distributor caps , and the coils? Autohaus list different number and says one per car for the 93 400 sel which I know is incorrect. MY vin is WDBGA43E3PA098535
and Mercedes slipped and told me the rotor numbers 1191 580 231 but then stopped giving numbers out

When I called Autohaus ,they said they knew nothing about it having 2 coils, and the dealer would not give out parts numbers. If I get the Benz part number I can put that in AUtohaus search and then I will feel more comfortable about ordering them .


Steve A said:
I don't know who you talked with at Autohaus but their online system lists dist caps at 2 per car and they don't list coils although Rock Auto does list coils for this model. The coil appears to be the same for either bank of cylinders. The bosch coil number is supposedly #00084 for the coils. The Bosch part num for caps is #03367.

Steve A


93 BENZs Reply I found the autohaus coils via google, not their web site which you are correct in saying that they do not list .

Here is the page that shows the coil(s) autohaus # W0133-1609551 but they list it as one so I would like to double check .

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I would like the OEM parts numbers like the ones you get from mercedes for the coils and caps .When I entered the merc part # 1191580231 into autohaus site it brought me the same rotor number #04271 that I find via their 93 400 sel year/ model /parts search.

So I felt quite sure that was the right part. I would prefer to find the caps
number via the same method and cross reference it to autohaus distributor caps # 03367

like this search did before ordering parts from far away

Your Parts Search Returned 1 Part(s)


and the coils also to be certain the are the exact right parts.

Autohaus said they thought car only had one coil , so thats why I was concerned.

** I had started by asking these questions in an inappropriate fashion vis a vie another persons thread .

 

[samosali]

Your engine number is 119971 12 011753, so I found:

distr. rotors: A 119 158 03 31 (bosch = 1 234 332 422) or A 119 158 02 31 (both should be fine i believe, but I would take the first one)
distr. caps: 119 158 02 31 (made by bosch = 1 235 522 430)
ignition coils: A000 158 65 03 (bosch = 0 221 502 435) or A000 158 57 03 (both should be fine according to my data and my logic but i would take the first one).

So, wait also for other repsonses and things will be more clear. It is not so easy to find proper part numbers.

 

[93 BENZ S400SEL]

Your engine number is 119971 12 011753, so I found:

distr. rotors: A 119 158 03 31 (bosch = 1 234 332 422) or A 119 158 02 31 (both should be fine i believe, but I would take the first one)
distr. caps: 119 158 02 31 (made by bosch = 1 235 522 430)
ignition coils: A000 158 65 03 (bosch = 0 221 502 435) or A000 158 57 03 (both should be fine according to my data and my logic but i would take the first one).

So, wait also for other repsonses and things will be more clear. It is not so easy to find proper part numbers.

I found the autohaus coils via google, not their web site which you are correct in saying that they do not list .

Here is the page that shows the coil(s) autohaus # W0133-1609551 but they list it as one so I would like to double check .

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I would like the OEM parts numbers like the ones you get from mercedes for the coils and caps .When I entered the merc part # 1191580231 into autohaus site it brought me the same rotor number #04271 that I find via their 93 400 sel year/ model /parts search.

So I felt quite sure that was the right part. I would prefer to find the caps
number via the same method and cross reference it to autohaus distributor caps # 03367


Your Parts Search Returned 1 Part(s)

and the coils also to be certain the are the exact right parts.

Autohaus said they thought car only had one coil , so thats why I was concerned.



Autohaus list different number and says one per car for the 93 400 sel which I know is incorrect. MY vin is WDBGA43E3PA098535
and Mercedes slipped and told me the rotor numbers 1191 580 231 but then stopped giving numbers out

When I called Autohaus ,they said they knew nothing about it having 2 coils, and the dealer would not give out parts numbers. If I get the Benz part number I can put that in AUtohaus search and then I will feel more comfortable about ordering them

 

[deanyel]

This has been going on for a long time- and there's nothing wrong with the AutohausAZ information - it's perfectly accurate, they just failed to list your coils, which are the same as the 500SEL so you can pick them up there. At some point you're just going to have to place the order.

 

[DrJfrmLA]

93 BENZ 400SEL Wrote :
I dont know what EPC is , but could you get me the correct parts numbers for the distributor caps , and the coils?

Why don't you find out what EPC is (it's Electronic Parts Catalog), enroll yourself (it's free), and then you could chase part numbers yourself?

Once you put your VIN in the EPC, the appropriate part numbers are shown in the diagrams, so there is no back-and-forth about what might be or might not be the right part number, and you could spend as much of your own time as you liked looking for the stuff.

Good luck.

 

[glenlloyd]

I see incorrect part information listed all the time, and you only know if you've worked on certain vehicles for long enough. For instance, Rock Auto listed a Beck Arnley glow plug for the 300SD / S350D that hadn't been used by Benz for over 10 years, what's the likelihood that it's the correct plug? Not likely, in fact I went back on Beck Arnley and made the same argument and they told me that in fact it was incorrect and they were removing it from their catalog as such, so it happens, and more frequently than one would like to find, but I think it is more often repackaged parts that you will find this situation.

Oddly enough, the glow plug that should be shown as fitting, the Bosch 80031, is sold by Rock Auto but not listed in their application for the S350D / 300SD, which is exactly like your case, it's correct but the reseller doesn't have it listed as such.

It's a situation that I have just gotten used to over the years as it happens in VW land as well. It also forces you to become more knowledgeable and better informed than the parts houses...which isn't a bad thing.

steve a

 

[93 BENZ S400SEL]

Why don't you find out what EPC is (it's Electronic Parts Catalog), enroll yourself (it's free), and then you could chase part numbers yourself?

Once you put your VIN in the EPC, the appropriate part numbers are shown in the diagrams, so there is no back-and-forth about what might be or might not be the right part number, and you could spend as much of your own time as you liked looking for the stuff.

Good luck.

DUH on my part. Soemeone posted a link for it and I would of sworn there was a fee to join which is what I was trying to avoid. Thx

 

[93 BENZ S400SEL]

I see incorrect part information listed all the time, and you only know if you've worked on certain vehicles for long enough. For instance, Rock Auto listed a Beck Arnley glow plug for the 300SD / S350D that hadn't been used by Benz for over 10 years, what's the likelihood that it's the correct plug? Not likely, in fact I went back on Beck Arnley and made the same argument and they told me that in fact it was incorrect and they were removing it from their catalog as such, so it happens, and more frequently than one would like to find, but I think it is more often repackaged parts that you will find this situation.

Oddly enough, the glow plug that should be shown as fitting, the Bosch 80031, is sold by Rock Auto but not listed in their application for the S350D / 300SD, which is exactly like your case, it's correct but the reseller doesn't have it listed as such.

It's a situation that I have just gotten used to over the years as it happens in VW land as well. It also forces you to become more knowledgeable and better informed than the parts houses...which isn't a bad thing.

steve a

I take the DUH back. I had not read your post just Deanyels . Now I will search for the EPC link someone had posted. To be 100% honest , I dont feel confortable until I get the OEM part number from Benz and then input that into Autohaus's database and come up with the part number their database recomends. Mr Murphy shows up too often in my life.

In the case of coils if EPC has a number that shows up in autohaus's database I will feel more certain. I repeat the salesperson at Autohaus said they only list one for my car , so thats another thing that concerns me .

I may be overly cautious , but working in a open air driveway in the cold, I dont need to find I have the wrong part when we pull out the old ones , and have to put old ones back in, send back to autohaus wait 2 weeks for the swap etc.

Actually I would rather pay Benzs price for the piece of mind, and not take the risk that I am going to waste 2 days over 2 weeks of my and my wifes cousins time to save $200+ .

 

[samosali]

If I get the Benz part number I can put that in AUtohaus search and then I will feel more comfortable about ordering them

i defined exact MB part numbers for you. You car has 2 coils according to my data base. i do not see where the problem is? all you have to do is trust me and order the items, or wait for somebody else to confirm the numbers which I defined.

 

[deanyel]

In the case of coils if EPC has a number that shows up in autohaus's database I will feel more certain. I repeat the salesperson at Autohaus said they only list one for my car , so thats another thing that concerns me .

Actually I would rather pay Benzs price for the piece of mind, and not take the risk that I am going to waste 2 days over 2 weeks of my and my wifes cousins time to save $200+ .

For your era AutohausAZ is light years ahead of any dealer when it comes to knowing what parts you need. I would bet they sell a hundred times more parts for your car than any individual MB dealer. But you should do whatever makes you comfortable.

 

[DrJfrmLA]

DUH on my part. Soemeone posted a link for it and I would of sworn there was a fee to join which is what I was trying to avoid. Thx

MBUSA gets a credit card number when you enroll, but it is just to confirm you are enrolling in the United States. There is nothing charged to it.

Good luck.

 

[93 BENZ S400SEL]

Your engine number is 119971 12 011753, so I found:

distr. rotors: A 119 158 03 31 (bosch = 1 234 332 422) or A 119 158 02 31 (both should be fine i believe, but I would take the first one)
distr. caps: 119 158 02 31 (made by bosch = 1 235 522 430)
ignition coils: A000 158 65 03 (bosch = 0 221 502 435) or A000 158 57 03 (both should be fine according to my data and my logic but i would take the first one).

So, wait also for other repsonses and things will be more clear. It is not so easy to find proper part numbers.

First Samosali thanks for the help

But the parts you mention for dist cap 119 158 0231 is wrong! It is actually the bosch rotor according to Autohaus, and the part # that Mercedes parts gave me uses for that rotor .
Also 119 158 0331 comes up as the same rotor at Az so that is correct.

So the only thing I feel POSITIVE about is the Rotors.

** CAPS I feel confused about the caps because the second numbers you give me "distr. caps: 119 158 02 31 (made by bosch = 1 235 522 430) the bosch 1 235 522 430 brings up this page for part # w 0133 1612071




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as opposed to this part brought up on their search #03367
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The first part costs $68.02 and the second costs $69


Am I to believe these parts are interchangeable ? or so vague that you can use this one or that one ?

** COILS The search I used came to a different coil lised below for a total of three different coils with different numbers for my car ???


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than the bosch coil number 0 221 502 435 which brings you to this page


Your Parts Search Returned 1 Part(s)

which expressedly says ""

Ignition Coil
Please verify appearance of existing unit, in particular the orientation of the connections, prior to ordering. 1 per car "

and both look very different from each other . If you magnify them the red lead come out from the top on one and the bottom on the other. The brackets are not in the same orientation in both , so again what to believe? Am I the only guy that understands this ?

Jump in hear Dean and explain please where am I going wrong?

Samosali I have no idea which are the correct coils for my car, and the first numbers you mention for coils A000 158 65 03 " I quote you" come up

Your Parts Search Returned 1 Part(s)
bring up another part number 00087 by bosch as opposed to 00086 by Bosch and a
W 0133-1609551 by Bosch


That and the fact that Autohaus said that my car calls for only one coil , is what has me concerned .

Is this difficult to understand ? I will join EPC tomorrow and find the right number for the coils and then order them from Autohaus if the number match their database. I need Benz numbers starting with 119 158 XXXX to come up in Autohaus's database as their part number W0133-1609551 to feel comfortable knowing they are the right parts .

Is this difficult to follow? Seems very simple to me .
***All OEM mercedes parts for the 119 Engine start with the prefix 119 XXX XXXX

 

[93 BENZ S400SEL]

MBUSA gets a credit card number when you enroll, but it is just to confirm you are enrolling in the United States. There is nothing charged to it.

Good luck.

Thanks for that info. Read on if you dare LOL

 

[samosali]

sorry, i made an evident typing error, I defined distributor cap as a rotor. so correct number for a cap is 119 158 01 02.

why do you doubt in the numbers for rotors and coils? it is just to believe or not to believe. my data show that your car has two coils and only two, no other options are possible.

why don't you just uninstall parts and read numbers from them? it is very easy. you will need 3 minutes for coils and about 2 minutes for caps and some more for rotors, but once you have cap number you can maybe take some risk to believe to the seller which rotor is correct.

 

[93 BENZ S400SEL]

I see incorrect part information listed all the time, and you only know if you've worked on certain vehicles for long enough. For instance, Rock Auto listed a Beck Arnley glow plug for the 300SD / S350D that hadn't been used by Benz for over 10 years, what's the likelihood that it's the correct plug? Not likely, in fact I went back on Beck Arnley and made the same argument and they told me that in fact it was incorrect and they were removing it from their catalog as such, so it happens, and more frequently than one would like to find, but I think it is more often repackaged parts that you will find this situation.

Oddly enough, the glow plug that should be shown as fitting, the Bosch 80031, is sold by Rock Auto but not listed in their application for the S350D / 300SD, which is exactly like your case, it's correct but the reseller doesn't have it listed as such.

It's a situation that I have just gotten used to over the years as it happens in VW land as well. It also forces you to become more knowledgeable and better informed than the parts houses...which isn't a bad thing.

steve a

Well the parts I got for my car via the google search at Autohaus was originally a

Bosch W0133-1609551. This proved to be wrong The correct MB part # that I got from my dealer was # 000 158 6503 (as Samosali mentioned ) which leads to the correct Autohaus part number Bosch 00087.

Your engine number is 119971 12 011753, so I found:

distr. rotors: A 119 158 03 31 (bosch = 1 234 332 422) or A 119 158 02 31 (both should be fine i believe, but I would take the first one)
distr. caps: 119 158 02 31 (made by bosch = 1 235 522 430)
ignition coils: A000 158 65 03 (bosch = 0 221 502 435) or A000 158 57 03 (both should be fine according to my data and my logic but i would take the first one).

So, wait also for other repsonses and things will be more clear. It is not so easy to find proper part numbers.

Samosali I got the MB part number from the dealer which is MB 000 158 6503 just as you had said. That led to Autohaus AZ Bosch 00087 not the part I found first via google/autohaus search . How and where did you get that pat number which is the correct one?

I thank you and now feel confident about going ahead and ordering the coils. I am glad I did not order the first part I found , and the part that Autohaus did not correct me about when I called them .

 

[93 BENZ S400SEL]

This has been going on for a long time- and there's nothing wrong with the AutohausAZ information - it's perfectly accurate, they just failed to list your coils, which are the same as the 500SEL so you can pick them up there. At some point you're just going to have to place the order.

Deanel I dont mean to be argumentative but the original coils that I got from Autohaus were a Bosch W0133-1609551.
That proved to be wrong . I got the MB part # which led to a Autohaus Bosch 00087 is slighty different . Now I will order those parts

 

[samosali]

Samosali I got the MB part number from the dealer which is MB 000 158 6503 just as you had said. That led to Autohaus AZ Bosch 00087 not the part I found first via google/autohaus search . How and where did you get that pat number which is the correct one?

1) see the thread above where i wrote that I made a typing error in distributor cap number. so correct number for the cap is 119 158 01 02

2) i found part numbers on ????????-??????? ????????????? DETALI.RU - ???????? ??? ????? ????????.

then select mercedes on left and then use your intelligence to fill VIN, select your vehicle group and then you will see ....

 

[deanyel]

And I don't mean to be repetitive but Autohaus doesn't list coils for your car. They couldn't have listed it wrong - they don't list it.

 

[93 BENZ S400SEL]

And I don't mean to be repetitive but Autohaus doesn't list coils for your car. They couldn't have listed it wrong - they don't list it.

I do not mean to be repetitive either but unfortunately for me, I find this page via a Google search for coils 1993 benz 400 sel . Thats where I got it , not via their search function. Thats what caused this confusion, my bad luck .

Thanks Deanyel

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[93 BENZ S400SEL]

1) see the thread above where i wrote that I made a typing error in distributor cap number. so correct number for the cap is 119 158 01 02

2) i found part numbers on ????????-??????? ????????????? DETALI.RU - ???????? ??? ????? ????????.

then select mercedes on left and then use your intelligence to fill VIN, select your vehicle group and then you will see ....

I see that Samosali and thanks again . I went to that site and I think I am at a loss of intelligence to maneuver that site , so I am glad you did it for me .

Thanks again My Friend