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Hi all!

Sorry for some ranting to come...

I bought my first merc, a 01 C320, thru a dealership here in Sweden in october 08..
for just below $18.000..Yeah cars are really expensive here!!
It had 50.000km/31000miles on it when I bought it and was in really good
condition.. I even had it tested to make sure everything was okay...
I passed 60.000km/37.000miles a few weeks ago..
Since I bought the car this is what's been done

warped rotors-->4 new rotors and pads $1050
Broken MAF-->Replaced MAF $250
Fuelgauge reading low-->Replaced fuelpump and sender unit $700
Vent mix arm broken--> replaced arm $900
Leaky trans connector--> replaced connector $175
"A" service for a wopping $1200
Total cost around $4275

This was from October to January, since then this has happend:
Tourqe shudder at 60kmph/40mph
Clearcoat falling off
ESP failing when it's cold or wet outside, codes says ESP unit not any sensor.
Windowwasher just spray a litte first time I press the button,
third time it works as it should and then works all day...

I'm actually getting quite fed up with this POS...
What else is going to fail?? The dreaded camsensor leak??
Coolant in the tranny?? It hasn't left me stranded, yet but it feels
like it's just a matter of time before it does... :(

I actually thought mercedes had some quality but this is actually worse
than the Ford Thunderbird I've got... :confused:

getting of my soapbox now....

Since I'm fairly good working on cars I at least thought I could fix the
windowwasher issue since it should only be a one way valve that's not
working and the fluid flows back into the reservoir but no one at mercedes wants to help me... :(

So is there any one way valve I can replace or do I have to replace something else??

another question, where's the ESP module located and how do I get to it??
Since it's reporting errors when it's wet or cold outside my guess would be
that I've got a leak into the car somewhere but without knowing where the
ESP module is located I can't find the leak.. Someone??

TIA!
 

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$1200 for an A service?
Are we talking in US dollars?
1050 for brakes...wow.
Easy DIY. Shoulda cost about..umm...
lets see 150 (front rotors)+200 (pads front and rear)+150 (rear rotors)=500 tops. I think I saw rear rotors for 40 bucks each.

Time to order a Haynes manual and get your hands dirty.
See recent thread on that.
Recent threads on fuel pump DIY also...
I forget, like 100 bucks, maybe 200....also not hard.
Vent arm....major PIA, but also there are DIY's posted for disassembling the dash.

Just curious,
what ESP error code are they getting?
It might be a crappy connection.
Yeh, pretty much if you don't want to go broke,
learn how to do stuff yourself...
 

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$1200 for an A service?
Are we talking in US dollars?
1050 for brakes...wow.
Easy DIY. Shoulda cost about..umm...
lets see 150 (front rotors)+200 (pads front and rear)+150 (rear rotors)=500 tops. I think I saw rear rotors for 40 bucks each.

Time to order a Haynes manual and get your hands dirty.
See recent thread on that.
Recent threads on fuel pump DIY also...
I forget, like 100 bucks, maybe 200....also not hard.
Vent arm....major PIA, but also there are DIY's posted for disassembling the dash.

Just curious,
what ESP error code are they getting?
It might be a crappy connection.
Yeh, pretty much if you don't want to go broke,
learn how to do stuff yourself...

Sorry it took so long to reply, been a little to much to do at work
and when I've gotten home it's been more or less eat, shit and sleep..

Yeah, it's US dollars and yeah it's very expensive over here..
Take your prices and add 20% that's the dealer price.. Then we've got a
nice tax or VAT at a whopping 25%...
Then it gets this expensive...
Wanna trade countries?? :D

I know how to do all of that, rebuilt cars as a hobby the last 15 yrs..
but sometimes you just don't have the time..
No time=more cash/more time=no time... Projectmanagement 101:(

The codes I got was (translated from swedish so bare with me)
C1142-001 B24/2 lateral sensor ESP electrical fault
C1142-0004 B24/2 lateral sensor ESP zero point deviation
C1142-016 B24/2 lateral sensor ESP signalwire broken or short circuit
C1202 A7/7s2 release contact BAS : Probability
all has status Saved...

with all these problems I tend to agree that there's got to be a glitch
in a contact... The strange thing is that it's more frequent when it rains and when it's cold outside...
Do you know where the ESP module is located???

Got any clues on why I have to press the windshield washer button 3 times before it starts to spray?? First press it sprays for half a second then nothing.
Second press nothing, third press it sprays as usual...
 

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Have you checked the voltage output of your battery? ESP is very sensitive to voltage drops. The ESP control module is located within the engine bay. It's the unit on the drivers side of engine bay with six metal tubes connected. Check the wiring harness gasket if there is one... That could explain the problem showing up more often during higher moisture. Lower temperature could explain low voltage on the battery. There is also a DTB repair for wiring harness on the ESP unit.
 

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a lot of the expenses you already paid could've been done DIY with ease and they're very cheap compare to paying labor at your dealership. actually I think other than fuel pump and it's sender unit (since that has to remove the rear seats) others you can DIY. There's tons of DIY written on here and mbworld. If you know how to do it and still decide to just drop off the car and have someone else do it, can't really complaint about that. lol

the ESP control unit is on the driver side (if you have a left hand drive) car. It says ESP on it with a lot of metal hose on it.

The wind shield washer is most likely a bad relay switch on the stalk.

clearcoat problem on an 8 yr old car that has seen many winters I wouldn't be surprised.

also as 2002c230 says, if the car never had it's battery replaced it's time to do so.
 

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Yeah, it's US dollars and yeah it's very expensive over here..
Take your prices and add 20% that's the dealer price.. Then we've got a
nice tax or VAT at a whopping 25%...
Then it gets this expensive...
Wanna trade countries?? :D
That's funny. Our country will get there soon, just need Obamam to put all the socialist programs in place like free healthcare and then wham, out of nowhere they will expect us to pay for them, just like Sweden, LOL. I like the lower taxes in the U.S. and the socialized medicine in Sweden, do you think the two can be possible?

As for MB's, yes, they are not that reliable and expensive to fix, a bad combination. The only way for the average man to afford an MB is to either do the work yourself as previously suggested or find a good independant mechanic, one that has access to parts in ways an MB dealer can't. For example, finding some parts from salvage yards or using non-MB parts for brakes, sensors and such can save a lot of money.
 

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Hey BW: I really appreciate that politics basically don't exist here. Could we keep it that way?
 

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Sorry it took so long for me to answer, never go ta mail saing the thread was updated..:(


Have you checked the voltage output of your battery? ESP is very sensitive to voltage drops. The ESP control module is located within the engine bay. It's the unit on the drivers side of engine bay with six metal tubes connected. Check the wiring harness gasket if there is one... That could explain the problem showing up more often during higher moisture. Lower temperature could explain low voltage on the battery. There is also a DTB repair for wiring harness on the ESP unit.
Haven't charged the battery in a while.. Perhaps I should jank it out and give it a good one during the weekend...
DTB??
I know DIY, SBT and DUI but DTB was a new one... :D
Got a link??

Gonna check the ESP module tonite and see what I can find..
Electrical gremlins isn't funny to sort out..

a lot of the expenses you already paid could've been done DIY with ease and they're very cheap compare to paying labor at your dealership. actually I think other than fuel pump and it's sender unit (since that has to remove the rear seats) others you can DIY. There's tons of DIY written on here and mbworld. If you know how to do it and still decide to just drop off the car and have someone else do it, can't really complaint about that. lol

the ESP control unit is on the driver side (if you have a left hand drive) car. It says ESP on it with a lot of metal hose on it.

The wind shield washer is most likely a bad relay switch on the stalk.

clearcoat problem on an 8 yr old car that has seen many winters I wouldn't be surprised.

also as 2002c230 says, if the car never had it's battery replaced it's time to do so.
Not complaining about the cash more on the fact that a car should have this much problems 'cause the milage is so low..

"On the stalk" would be the lever huh??
It's just so strange that it's always three times...
Never one or two always three..
If there's a glitch in a switch it should work sometimes on the second
try... I think... :D

Gonna check the battery but it's been replaced at least one 'cause it's not the stocker.

That's funny. Our country will get there soon, just need Obamam to put all the socialist programs in place like free healthcare and then wham, out of nowhere they will expect us to pay for them, just like Sweden, LOL. I like the lower taxes in the U.S. and the socialized medicine in Sweden, do you think the two can be possible?

As for MB's, yes, they are not that reliable and expensive to fix, a bad combination. The only way for the average man to afford an MB is to either do the work yourself as previously suggested or find a good independant mechanic, one that has access to parts in ways an MB dealer can't. For example, finding some parts from salvage yards or using non-MB parts for brakes, sensors and such can save a lot of money.
*LOL* You'll never come close to our taxes..
The funny thing is that we're coming closer and closer to your system..
goverment healthcare works like sh!t and more and more people get private healthcare insurances... :D
No more about that...

Yeah, I have to find some independent that I can trust..
That's my issue, don't trust that many guys to work on my car, they tend to cheat... Yeah I know... the dealers do to, eventhough I've got plenty of friends among the sales and customer service guys..

Thanks for your help!
 

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Cheating you is certainly a reputation that mechanics have in the U.S. also, you just have to find one that doesn't and that's not as easy as it sounds. What I did is ask people I know, neighbors, friends, family that own older MB's where they take their car to. The way I look at it is that people with old MB's can't afford new MB's, so they certainly can't afford dishonest mechanics or dealers. Another thing I look for is a high hourly rate, why, because mechanics with low hourly rates lure you in with cheap pricing, but then make it up with bogus or shoddy repairs and huge markups on parts prices. The mechanic with the high hourly rate only stays in business by providing the best workmanship while being honest. I also look for 1-2 man shops, this way you are talking directly with the person doing the work and you know the work is not being passed off to an inexperienced mechanic.
 
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