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So besides the COSMETIC differences in the 2 generations of the 126....what am I missing from my 83? Is it still any good compared to a 91? [:(]
 

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Besides the engines...the extra crappy speakers...the airbags etc

Is the ride still the same?
 

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I sometimes get the feeling I’m driving a 91 300 E 124, just bigger with an “S.� I could be wrong on this (that has not stopped me before…) and I’ve done no research, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the second gen 126 came out the year after the debut of the w124 – DB’s new, modern, break with the past model, bearing in mind the 86 126s were built in 85. I think there may be a lot of shared suspension and chassis parts between the two along with upgraded electronic components like the ABS. Although available in 1984 the newer CIS – E fuel injection system – a mechanical/electronic hybrid – was used in all the second gen cars.

Airbags became standard – passenger side available, the tilt sunroof, better seats with better, softer material, upgraded sound system and speakers, and an ‘upgraded’ idiot light array with a low washer fluid level and low motor oil level, among others, which are not on my 500 SEL. I also don’t have the telescoping steering wheel or map light on the 500. The first gen of US market cars did not have the headlamp wipers or third/top mounted brake light. The second gen came in the US market with the ‘new style’ 15� rims standard as opposed to the 14� bundts.

The two cars are very different – my 500 is more like my 123, single ingot of steel, not much in the way of overboard creature comforts – cars designed to function first; the second gen cars are stuffed with more stuff, whether needed or not – they are more smooth and refined but not so ingot-like if you will, still great build quality but just not as solid.
 

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Second generation w126 is to say comparing day and night! The difference in body styling does not matter much to me but performance does.

Benzonline you must try the 2nd gen w126, but then again the sound is still hopeless compared to w140. But it is a lot quiter. i had a 1st gen 500 sec and 1st gen 280 se. Both were rather lousy to be honest compared to my 2nd gen 300se. They were a lot nosier the engine noise is terrible even the 500 was nothing near the level of refinement the 300 se gave and the later 420 sec was fantastic. much better than the ist gen 500 sec.

If it were now i would not buy a 1st gen w126 unless i had been given one. The 380 is a terribily noisy car and even noisy than almost any new car. But the second generation is rather comparable to a new car but not that close to the w140 but its getting there it is some where near the w140 standard but not that quite.

Yes you a missing a lot any c class is going to be out run your 380. Even basic c200 is faster.
 

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"Airbags became standard – passenger side available, the tilt sunroof, better seats with better, softer material, upgraded sound system and speakers, and an ‘upgraded’ idiot light array with a low washer fluid level and low motor oil level, among others, which are not on my 500 SEL" The idiot light options were NOT option i belive among 500 sel/sec euro versions of pre 85 cars.
 

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Peter Seow - 3/26/2005 11:02 AM

The idiot light options were NOT option i belive among 500 sel/sec euro versions of pre 85 cars.
I would agree – to the best of my knowledge the low oil light, etc, etc, were only on the second gen cars in all markets.
 

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Peter Seow - 3/26/2005 11:02 AM

"Airbags became standard – passenger side available, the tilt sunroof, better seats with better, softer material, upgraded sound system and speakers, and an ‘upgraded’ idiot light array with a low washer fluid level and low motor oil level, among others, which are not on my 500 SEL" The idiot light options were NOT option i belive among 500 sel/sec euro versions of pre 85 cars.
Only the 89+ benefit from the better seats though!!
 

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I am not sure as to exactly when Mercedes started doing this it might have been in 2nd gen 126s, it might be in the 124s. I absolutley hate how the front end (headlights and grille area) are slanted. I love the 126 front end and tail end. That slant just takes away from the car somehow makes it look less "imtimidating?" Eventually, when i save up the money i am going to buy a 500SEC with an AMG body kit, that probably wont be for a while. I have my 300SD, im quite happy with it despite the fact that people make fun of it because it has problems [:(]. Even thou the one guy who makes fun of it compares it to his 5 year old "beat-the-crap-out-of" Jeep Cherokee.

I agree with the seats, i think MB should put more support in them.

Just my 2 Cents

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I do not mind the seats i had a w126 1st gen, w123, w115. Its ok with me as long as you are cruising and not speeding
 

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JamesDean - 3/27/2005 5:26 AM

I absolutley hate how the front end (headlights and grille area) are slanted.
The 124s had the ‘slant.’ The 126 always had the more upright grill and lights. The second gen light assembly for the US market may give the appearance of a slant but euro lamps will fix that. Otherwise the shape of the grill, fenders, hood, panels, etc remained the same for all 126s during the entire production period.

I also don’t care for the look of the front end of the 124s (sorry, Tubs) but I think they’re beautiful cars otherwise and I’d love to have a 300 D one day.
 

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Although available in 1984 the newer CIS – E fuel injection system – a mechanical/electronic hybrid – was used in all the second gen cars.

Would this be on my 85 euro 500sel?
 

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I agree about the seats in the 1st gen 126...could be more supportive esp when doing turns but they are still more comfortable than some of the seats out there now!

Probably the best seats I sat in were the w140...its like a kings chair.
 

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MTUpower - 3/27/2005 12:45 PM

Although available in 1984 the newer CIS – E fuel injection system – a mechanical/electronic hybrid – was used in all the second gen cars.

Would this be on my 85 euro 500sel?
No. My guess is that it is not the old CIS system but not quite CIS – E, either - we more than likely have what Bosch describes as CIS Lambda or K Jetronic with Lambda control. We do have a more simple feedback processor from the temp sensor, oxygen sensor, etc, back to the EHA to adjust fuel delivery.
 

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Also something interested I noted from all the w126 we've had at the shop. 1981-1985 w126s don't have a coolant overflow tank, they just spit out the excesss coolant, but 1986-1991 have an overflow tank behind the passenger side fender. Kinda neat huh!![:D]
 

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I’m not sure what kind of cars you’re getting in your shop but the first gen 126s have coolant overflow tanks, at least in 84 and 85 - my 85 500 SEL has one.

Below are the engine bays of a:

85 500 SEL

84 300 SD

84 380 SE

My 81 300 D has a spit tube but it’s non-turbo, the 82 to 85 turbo 300 Ds have an overfill tank so it would make sense that the 126s have the same.
 

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jdc,

on that 300SD does the air filter shake like crazy when the engine is idling? mine does...just wondering.
 

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Sadly it is common for the air filter housing to rattle on the OM 617s. Sometimes you can bend the clips to hold tighter, that fixed mine. Sometimes the mounts break. Fortunately mercedessource sells a repair kit, not too expensive.
 

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I'll have to get a avi of it, I mean its not bothering me if it shakes, thats one less thing to fix [:)] but if its bad for the engine then thats another story. Tomorrow (rather today later) I plan on going down to my mechanic and getting this balljoint - steering rod issue resolved, as well as pick up some other things; estimates mainly..transmission.
 

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another thing I noticed for some reason...when I looked on ebay or even in real life, 126's for sale the pre 85 series ones were always in poorer shape than later ones. For example you could see many 1985s and see many 1986s and the 86 will be 60% better shape than the 85 and I dont think 1 yr could make that much difference.
 
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