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Hello,
does anyone as the old spec for the engine oil that mercedes used before getting into full synthetic for the E300TD 1997?
Is it 228.1 or 228.2 or 228.3?
I'm puzzled on this.
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How about 228.5 ? ;)
When your car was build the MB oil specifications didn't exist. We did use CD - CH oils for diesels.
Hello Kajtek1,

:eek:, no specs before?
What do you mean ""CD-CH"" oil for diesel?
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Olivier,

According to the data as psecified on our MB-forum in NL, see the attached sheet. The fist 6 lines specify the engine oil.. Koud=cold, gematigd=moderate, heet=hot.
As you can see I even learned you some Dutch today.

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hallo Ingmar,
Thanks for this, 15W40 should be fine then but what about 228.1 or 228.3 ?mercedes here said I should use 229.3 which is SHPD oil= Super High Performance Diesel, which mine isn't.
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hallo Ingmar,
Thanks for this, 15W40 should be fine then but what about 228.1 or 228.3 ?mercedes here said I should use 229.3 which is SHPD oil= Super High Performance Diesel, which mine isn't.
Veggie is good :)
The Mercedes older spec sheets like 228.3 were met by many universal oils, especially in the 15W-40 viscosity such as Mobil Delvac 1300, Chevron DELO 400, Shell Rotella T, Castrol Tection, Pennzoil Long Life, etc. Since it is an old spec, many oils do not mention it anymore.

However, the Mobile Delvac 1300 (super) still lists 228.3 on its data sheet, which you can find here.

Mobil Delvac 1300 Super

I notice you are in Europe, so some of the oils I mentioned may not be available. IMHO, today's oils should easily meet these older specs. In the USA, that means carrying the API CX specs as Kajtek1 mentioned (The latest is CJ now).

In Europe, the ACEA E3-96 is based on this spec. Some oils there meeting this are:

228.3
Aral HighTurboral 10W-40
Shell Rimula X CH-4 15W-40
Ursa Premium TDX 15W-40
Ursa Premium TDX 10W-30
Ursa Super TD 15W-40
Ursa Turbo 15W-40
Ursa Turbo 20W-50

228.31 (more for commercial trucks)
Citgo CITGARD 700 SAE 15W-40
Shell Rimula Super 15W-40
 

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Hi Loubapache,
I in the chart below it says the 228.3 is for SHPD engine, I don't think the 606 Turbo is a SHPD or a Super High Performance Diesel? This is why I was hoping 228.1 might do as it's for turbo diesel, but not for Super High Performance Diesel. Reckon?

MB 228.1
Multigrade engine oils for turbocharged diesel engines. Oil change intervals up to
30,000 km.
MB 228.2
Monograde SHPD engine oils for highly turbocharged diesel engines.
MB 228.3
SHPD engine oils for highly turbocharged diesel engines. Extended oil change intervals
up to 45,000 km.
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These specs usually supersede one another so a newer soec should also satisfy the older spec. An oil that can be used in SHPD can also be used in non-SHPD engines. How does one define SHPD, BTW?

Here are the full description of the 228.1 and 228.3 oils. At the end, I attached the latest Mercedes oil recommendation for your engine.

MB sheet 228.1 approved oils
for commercial trucks with diesel engines, SHPD (Super High Performance Diesel) oil, multi-viscosity, drain interval to 30,000 km. ACEA E2-96 is based on this spec.

MB sheet 228.3 approved oils
for commercial trucks with diesel engines, Euro 2, minimum spec for CDIs, multi-viscosity SHPD (Super High Performance Diesel) oil, extended drain intervals up to 45,000 km. 228.x oils are designed to handle increased soot loads, EGR and a reduced tendency to thicken. ACEA E3-96 is based on this spec.

I would just pick an ACEA B2, 3, or 4 oil and sleep good at night.
 

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hallo Ingmar,
Thanks for this, 15W40 should be fine then but what about 228.1 or 228.3 ?mercedes here said I should use 229.3 which is SHPD oil= Super High Performance Diesel, which mine isn't.
Veggie is good :)
Olivier,

Usually when putting such a question on a forum, most of the times an academic discussion will start, where everybody gives you a different advice.:surrender:

I personally use a budget oil, which is also used in lawnmowers, :) I pay around 15 USD for 5 liters, and change oil/filter every 10000 Km, due to the risk of polymerisation in oil due to veggie-fuel.
My oil is a 10W40 oil high-performance (lawnmowers), but however has the following spec's, including the Mercedes one:
It has been keeping my Merc (W210 E290 TD)running for 350.000 Km now....without any damage. I do a flush every 20.000 Km or yearly, this again in combination with the change.

ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
BMW Longlife-01
MB 229.5
VW 502.00/505.00 (level)

This "confession" will surely raise some eyebrows I am sure of that, but this is my experience.

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Thank you Loubapache and Ingmar, it look like you are the same with ACEA b2, b4.
I'll look at a lawmower shop tomorrow :D.
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Hello Kajtek1,

:eek:, no specs before?
What do you mean ""CD-CH"" oil for diesel?
Thank you. :thumbsup:
Yeah. The "Brand specifications" are the thing of last few years only.
In the past engine oils had general specification. S was for gasoline engine and C was for diesel engine specification.
When I got my driving license, we've been using SC motor oils. Those in Europe were recommended at 5000 miles intervals. The newer generation of SD oils would allow 10k intervals. Last time I checked the bottles the new oils have SJ, so we are long way in oil development.
The same for diesel oils. CB would make lot of sludge, while CH is high tech.
Bottom line, your car was build in the era when Mercedes didn't have brand specifications, so technically speaking any oil labeled CD or higher should be fine.
Than on practical reason -synthetics in US are very affordable and having lot of toys I use it even in lawn-mower. :D
The best for the diesel in Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 15W-40 and since it cost the same what other synthetics -I use it on our 98 diesel, as well I am planning to use it on my 30 + old diesel tractor when the change becomes due.... in 2 or 4 years
 

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Olivier,

Just sent you a pm, have you ever considered in using Plantomot as engine oil. This oil is a vegetable oil, quitte a few German and Dutch forum-pals of me use it in their SVO/WVO powered cars.
Plantomot Engine Oil

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Thank you but have you seen the price. EEK! Canno afford it. Better to run on good oil, not expensive and change it every 5000 ish. :)
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