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E350 M272 Timing Chain Problems - Skipped timing: Repair or Replace?

3.2K views 10 replies 7 participants last post by  Gine  
#1 ·
I am starting to see a lot of MBs with the M272 engine with timing chain problems. These usually have 150 to 200K miles on them. Some have skipped timing, some report as running very poorly. Others turn over but won't start. Some are almost there, run and drive, but horrible timing chain noise on start up. (I notice these because I am always looking at inexpensive MBs on FB marketplace to add to my collection, or to fix and sell.)(I also have two, an E350 and an R350)

As I understand it, I could fix mine and some of the others by redoing the timing chain without pulling the heads. But, if I am to do chain guides (which I think are usually trashed too), I would have to pull the heads. At this point, I am wondering is it worth it?

I am thinking about just pulling engines (maybe parting them out) and replacing with a good used M272 engine from a Copart, IAAI purchase, LKQ or car-part.com.

Your experience/opinion gratefully received.

PS. I am posting in the W211 forum because I am guessing that the E350 is by far the most popular MB with a M272. But, If I am wrong, it is the C Class, I am always happy to be corrected.
 
#2 ·
For the guides, you have to pull the valve covers and front cover. The front cover requires removal of the engine or a very capable mechanic. Used engines are almost always a hit and miss affair - no matter what the supplier says, The supplier gives you a limited short term warranty, so if not satisfied, pull the engine and ship it back at your expense - the next one may actually be better. :rolleyes:
My advice would be to replace the timing chain/tensioner and upper guides (no need to pull front cover) and hope the lower guides are still good (usually are). If you have the chain noise, replace ASAP as a loose chain tends to chew up gears and variable timing actuators. :cry:
 
#7 ·
Yes, I've seen that video. I like the car wizard. I followed him since he started with Hoovies Garage. I prefer LegitStreetCars in that he actually shows the procedures and works on MBs while the wizard just talks about problems. As in this video, he tends to over emphasize the costs. I think it is insanity to own a MB out of factor warranty if you cannot work on the cars yourself. For me, this isn't a 3K to 5K job regardless of the route I take.
 
#5 ·
The parts prices for fixing the balance shaft aren't too bad, it's pulling the engine out to do the job that is rough. However, my understanding is that one can use an inspection scope to visually check the balance shaft sprocket, so you can determine if a timing chain replacement is sufficient.
 
#10 · (Edited)
Hi all I just happened upon the video below addressing this problem and thought I would share for the discussion :)

By the way the M276 engine does not have a balance shaft because it features a 60-degree V configuration, which eliminates the need for one, unlike its predecessor, the M272...

M276 Details Below