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My answer is : We may made our own recalls from the most of our W201s :D..but Toyotas.. again, what else they'd been hided away from Toyota nuts : Toyota recalls 1.7 million cars for fuel leaks including lotsa Lexus :( AP associate press today.)
Toyota recalls 1.7 million cars for fuel leaks - Yahoo! News
 

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You don't even know how much I hate toyotas. Piece of crap cars. My grandma has one and it has had more problems than my 27 year old w201! Exactly why I stick with european and American cars.
 

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Make: MERCEDES BENZ Model: 201
Model Year: 1992
Manufacturer: MERCEDES-BENZ USA, INC. Mfr's Report Date: JUN 23, 1993
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 93V108000 NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: AIR BAGS:FRONTAL

Summary:
DRIVER'S SIDE AIRBAGS DO NOT MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS OF FMVSS 208.
Consequence:
SEAT OCCUPANTS RELYING ON THE INSTALLED AIRBAG WOULD NOTBE PROTECTED IN THE SAME MANNER AS THAT OF FMVSS 208 COMPLIANT AIRBAG, ANDCOULD HAVE AN INCREASED RISK OF INJURY IN AN ACCIDENT.
Remedy:
REPLACE THE AIRBAGS WITH AIRBAGS THAT COMPLY WITH FMVSS 208.
Notes:
SYSTEM: INTERIOR SYSTEMS; PASSIVE RESTRAINT; AIRBAGS; FMVSS 208.VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: PASSENGER CARS WITH NON- U.S. DESIGNED AIRBAGS.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/
 

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I believe that there was also a recall for early models involving the handbrake mechanism.
 

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1984 BabyBenz: I have to disagree with you somewhat concerning Toyota cars. I have had four MBs, the latest is the 190D I bought four months ago. I have enjoyed all four very much, despite the fact that they have cost me some rather serious money to keep running; I just prefer to drive MB cars. On the other hand, my wife has had four Toyota Camrys and all of them have been virtually trouble-free. She has certainly had no major problems with any of them; that's a record which is hard to argue with. Just our experience with the two makes.
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I too feel it is ridiculous to run down Toyota on a quality standpoint. Benz Quality has been on an abysmal downward slide since the early '90s as have all German manufacturers. A shame really. However, North Americans will continue to purchase all the Benz/BMW/Porsche/VW suvs, Panameras etc. that can be produced.

Question- What would you rather drive Across Australia/Africa (somewhere reliability matters, perhaps life or death?) a Benz or a toyota? I'll take the Land Cruiser thank you. That said, my 1990 190E is bulletproof...
 

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I might take a G-Wagen over the Land Cruiser, but that's just me.
 

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Quality has changed a lot in the last decade.

I used to swear by Sony, but the last three pieces of Sony equipment I had, I swore at them. All developed problems after about a year.

A friend has an old Corolla that just won't die. Another had trouble with a new Tundra.

Was thinking about a Jetta diesel, but a friend at work had one of the gas models, and the interior had several problems: rear window wouldn't work, instrument out... the sort of thing VW never missed at in previous years.

GM went downhill a long time ago. Last two GM cars I had started coming apart at around 80k-90k miles. Swore them off permanently after that. A pity, the old 76 Eldorado convertible I once had was rock solid. FWD, 500ci engine, torque galore, could beat any car on the road for the first five feet.

And keep in mind with the older Benz's: The car may only cost you $5k, but you're buying parts for an $60k car.

OTOH, the last three Fords I've had: Escort, Sable, Ranger, and now F350, have all been just about indestructable.

Go figure...
 

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And you see so many G Wagens in the backside of Africa, or the Australian Outback. The G wagen argument is about as logical as the Land Rover argument. Land Rover had 95% of the Aussie 4X4 market. Enter the Land Cruiser and that number falls to +- 5% in short order. The UN bought 6000 80 series LCs over a 5 year period. I too love the GWagen. In terms of numbers delivered it is rather a non entity and it's acceptance in rough service reflects that. Please discount all of the North American spec gas 'Bling Wagens'as well. I would love to own a diesel G Wagen with factory Diff Locks etc. but I would likely have to buy an ex military unit to achieve that. The G Wagen has a number of advantages over the LC, such as the suspension mounts are tucked up beside the frame whereas the 80 and 105 series LC have the mounts below the frame- advantage G Wagen for ground clearance. If your only requirement is the fastest bread box/tank conveyance to the mall or soccer practice- fill your boots with that G500. Enjoy that legendary mid 90s Benz build quality and lack of over complicated components!
 

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...despite the fact that they have cost me some rather serious money to keep running; I just prefer to drive MB cars. On the other hand, my wife has had four Toyota Camrys and all of them have been virtually trouble-free...
Gotta agree. I have been driving a 1996 Daihatsu Charade (Daihatsu being Toyota's cheap city car brand) for the last twelve years and that car has NEVER broken down or failed to start, nor required expensive repairs. The only trouble I've ever had with it has been immediately after picking it up from a service and finding defective spark plugs had been fitted (and even then, it was still driveable). That's the level of quality and engineering that Toyota's built in to even their cheap-shit car range. I know Toyota has had some bad quality problems lately, but I'd say that's a regrettable blip on an otherwise enviable reputation.

Question- What would you rather drive Across Australia/Africa (somewhere reliability matters, perhaps life or death?) a Benz or a toyota? I'll take the Land Cruiser thank you.
Actually, as an Australian, I suggest you take the car that young Germans themselves choose for such perilous trans-Australian journeys: this car
 
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