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DIY Lower Control Arm and Ball Joint Change

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W211 DIY Lower Control Arm and Ball Joint Change

Why?

Dealer wanted $66x2 for ball joints and $400 for Labor. For the Lower control arm $290x2 and another $400 for labor – a total of $1,500

I decided to change it myself. I purchased both Ball joints on ebay for $53 (free shipping), and both lower control arm for $162 (including shipping).

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I had to buy two special tools. 1) Ball Joint Separator $35 (including shipping) and 2) Ball joint Remover/Installer $92.00 (including shipping).

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For a total of $342, this job saved me over $1150.00.

1) Jack up front of the car, put jack sands on both sides, leave the jack in the middle, put stopping blocks on both rear wheels.

2) Take the front wheels off, remove the dust pans from under the car.

3) Loosen the 21mm nut on the ball joint (top) and the 21mm nut on the lower control arm ball joint (bottom).

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4) Use the Ball Joint Separator tool, break loose both ball joints. I highly recommend this tool!! Use an impact wrench if you can, when the ball joint breaks loose, it is quite violent.

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5) The other end of the lower control arm, loosen the nut and bolt that holds the body (9/16 - 12 point socket and a 21mm socket).

6) Remove the Lower control arm.

7) Lower the steering knuckle out of the way, then Put the Ball Joint Remover/Installer Tool on the Ball Joint, press the old ball joint out. YOU MUST HAVE THIS TOOL, THIS JOB CANNOT BE DONE WITHOUT IT. ALSO, YOU WILL NEED TWO BREAKER BARS. ALSO CANNOT BE DONE WITH OUT IT.

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8) Using the same Ball Joint Remover/Installer Tool, press the new ball joint in.

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9) Put the steering knuckle, ball joint back together, tighten the ball joint.

10) Put the new lower control arm back in place, tighten the ball joint, and the nut and bolt on the other end.

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11) Put the dust pan back

12) Put your wheels back on

13) Lower the car, you just saved over $1,150.00!

Also see my write up on DIY W211 Front End Alignment – search for it on this forum!

DIY W211 Lower Control Arm and Ball Joint Change

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Your methods are economical, but they need (or, I need) some imagery. Could you possibly make a photo spread of the steps you describe and post those pix on this forum?

I do not understand your directions for calibrating the exact toe in distance with the vertical level, .... A pic or two would clear this up.

Likewise for the caster/camber check and solution: a pic or two would work wonders.

Thanks for your wisdom.
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DIY alignment procedure (with photos)

Thanks for the interest. This simple alignment approach saved me a lot of time, hassle, and some $$, as I have 4 earlier MBs (2 84 190Ds, 97 300D, and 99 SLK) with various DIY front end R/Rs completed.

Step 1) assemble required tools: 7ft. or 8 ft board, 2 ft. level, a pen, and masking tape (the masking tape is not essential, as you may mark directly onto your board, yet you will probably check distances several times when adjusting, and therefore the masking tape can be applied fresh for each measurement and this eliminates confusion)
(PLEASE SEE PHOTOS POSTED BELOW)

Step 2) drive the car onto level ground, and in doing so ensure that the car was driven directly straight ahead for at least 3 or 4 yds prior to parking. After parking do not adjust the steering wheel. Almost all cars will have some play in the steering paraphernalia, but the technological inclination of the wheels is to roll as straight as possible. Hence, we want to check the alignment after the wheels have rolled naturally for a distance.

Step 3) position the board, beginning with the front of the wheels. The center of the board as it lays on the ground should fall directly under the most forward center-point of the tire wall (approximately is OK). Place the level vertically on the center of the tire wall so as the bottom touches the end of the board. Slide the board one way or the other as required so as it is even with the level when the level is perfectly vertical.

Step 4) record the distance between the outside of the front of the wheels. Place a piece of masking tape on the board where it protrudes under the front wheel on the other side of the car, and position the level vertically above. Carefully mark a line on the masking tape with the pen.

Step 5) lay the board behind the front wheels and follow the same general format as in steps three and four, so as to record the distance between the outside of the rear of the wheels.

Step 6) compare the two marks recorded on the masking tape. If they are more than 1/8" in variation, then adjust the wheel positions by removing the front wheels loosening the tie rod assemblies, and turning them appropriately to bring the wheels to the point that they are both rolling in the same direction. This usually takes three or four adjustments and subsequent alignment checks to bring them perfectly aligned. Theoretically both L and R tie rod ends should be adjusted near to equal amounts, but an exception might be when a collision or impact on one wheel has skewed its individual alignment.

Step 7) check caster and camber - simply place the level vertically near the center of each wheel and thereby identify either wheel being far off level, and/or in substantial variance from one another. Depending on the wheels and tires you're dealing with, you may need to tape some spacer blocks onto the level to contact only with the tire walls top and bottom so as the protruding rim does not skew the level reading. In the photo, my stock 15 in. wheels on my 190D allow for the level to sit flush against the tires without any interference from the protruding rim

Important consideration:

If you're dealing with an earlier model car especially, it is best to check for play in both the suspension and steering components before being very concerned about achieving a precise alignment. Of course an exception might be if the car has been in a collision and the alignment is obviously a way off. Common points of wear as our Benz's age are the center drag links and the tie rod ends. these components are easily checked by rolling the front end of the car onto elevating ramps, and have an assistant sit in the car and turn the wheel back-and-forth slightly at a moderate rate. Erstwhile you should lie under the car and watch each connection in the steering assembly attentively, to identify where play (loose connections) prevail. The other common point of wear is the lower ball joints. To check these place a jack under the lower control arm close to the wheel, and elevate the respective side of the car. Take a long sturdy screwdriver or bar and pry between the lower control arm and wheel spindle assembly. If any play exists here, the ball joints require replacement.

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Many thanks for your write-up and pix. Most informative. I appreciate it.
Just an update:

About a month ago I finally broke down and tore the car apart after my front passenger airmatic shock bursted. I ordered a new arnotts to replace it.

Dissasembly isn't too bad, but the sway bar sure is annoying and always in the way. I did have to break a couple of ball joints loose. I had NAPA press in the new bushing on the control arm.

Re-assembly was a little more challenging because the shock was full of air and the suspension had to be sprung down in order to get it placed in its place on top of the control arm. Again, the sway bar was annoying and in the way. All in all though, it went back together nicely and is back running and driving.

Next are new tires, brakes, and a lower passenger ball joint. (Upon disassembling the front end I found out that one of my lower ball joints, the one I JUST had replaced 6 months ago, has already torn its boot. It was torn before I dissasembled anything so that one was not my fault)
Can anyone tell me the correct torque setting for the lower ball joint?
torque values

Tighten bolts in two stages. Once with the vehicle up off the ground: 50nm. Then with the vehicle in "ready to drive" position: 60nm. A 1/8 turn is indicated for the 2nd stage. I am assuming this might be because you can't get a torque wrench in there with it all put back together. I am going to find out this weekend after my MB press is delivered.
BTW, same process for the torque strut: 50, then 60. The bolt holding the strut to the carrier should be 80, then 120. Don't tighten until it is in ready to drive position. Unless you have an old fashioned grease pit to work in, I would guess you'll need it to be up on ramps. I am wondering how I am going to apply 120nm to a nut with no clearance to speak of. There is also a warning not to turn the bolt, just the nut, so as not to damage rubber locating lugs in the rubber mount.
Superb write-up, PhillipK

A couple of follow-ups to your great job. I had listed the torque values above, along with the note not to turn the control arm bolt, just the nut. (There are lugs inside the fitting that can be damaged.) I ran out and bought an external torx socket set for the control arm bolt. Of course it came in even numbers and this appears to be an odd. The 12-point 9/16 worked just fine.
You can get a high quality KD tools ball joint separator from Sears online for $20. It worked great and no, I never got used to the sound of a gun going off under the car when they pop loose. Especially after I had only slightly tightened it and went to look to make sure it was square and BANG. (Don't get too close. If you aren't holding it, the separator can go flying.)
The bolts for the control arm and the speed sensor had blue Loc-tite on them, so I used some of that.
I had tried to use a universal press from AdvanceAuto, but using a cheater bar and not getting anywhere, I thought it best to put it back together before I broke something and ordered the press from ebay mechnicstopia made for the w211 and it worked great. No guessing, no spacers. Everything fit exactly. Pricey at $150 including shipping, but now I am all ready for the next time. At my age, I am amazed that I still need to learn over and over again to buy the right tool. The KD separator was bought after a cheap-o broke without budging anything.
I have seen on another thread elsewhere the recommendation to disconnect the upper ball joint and swing the knuckle out. That didn't work as well. The entire assembly is all over the place and I suspect if you are fully involved in turning the press, you might lose sight of the fact the brake line could be holding everything up. The method used here, by the way, is written up as the "new and improved" way to do it in the Star Service dvd.
Again, great DIY. What's next?
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Arms with balls?

Ok, I used to do all kinds of repairs to my 68 Olds Cutlass back in the day. And I've worked on my delivery vans (E350) back through the 80's. But now I'm trying to save a serious buck and replace my shot lower ball joints.

After going to Advance's site I found 101-6708 and 6709 Beck Arnely control arm WITH ball joint.

Buy Beck/Arnley Control Arm with Ball Joint 101-6708 at Advance Auto Parts

Does this really mean that I can skip the 1. separate 2. install process and just bolt on the arms? No, it can't be...

BTW, each arm w/ball joint was $141, but when I added the code DEALIO it took another 40% off, so I paid just over $100!!!

Thanks for any advice you'd care to share.

David
Richmond VA
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I don't know what car you are driving but if it is the W211 I'll think you will find that the lower ball joint is pressed into the steering knuckle not the control arm. Replacing the control arm will give you new bushings but not a new ball joint. Thank you ROYFELIPE for the torque values. My friend had lower ball joints replaced 3 years ago and by INDIE and we just had to replace the drivers side again,we used the MEYLE from Autohaus this time. We bought the Mercedes press tools and used pneumatic tool...easy.
Lower control arms

Chiro,

Thanks for the tips. Sorry, the car is a 2005 E320 CDI. Attached is a photo of the arm. The description says lower control arm with ball joint. And this looks like a ball joint on the end. I know this sounds idiotic, but humor me? Am I missing a part? It looks like the bushing and ball joint are on there? If this is the case, are there DIY instructions on how to install?

Thank you for your help,

David

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Hi David,
The terminology gets confusing with this particular application. The control arm that you are showing here I refer to as the torsion arm ...however, it confused me at the begining . If you are replacing this because of a squeaking noise you may find it does not resolve your problem. We did this first and helped a bit but sqeaking didn't resolve. Finally , we bought the tools on ebay to press the lower ball joint out of the steering knuckle. Bought the lower ball joint from Autohaus,Meyle brand for 45 bucks. It resolved all our noise issues.
How do you know when you have a bad ball joint? My front driver side wheel squeaks when its turned and when I go over any kind of bump, dip, sudden change in the road and its starting to get really annoying. My friend is a mechanic but not for Mercedes for all cars in general and he told me that my ball joint is going out. He said its going to cost like $600 to change. Does this DIY apply to having airmatic system also?
A squeak like you describe is a possible ball joint failure.
$600 to repair is basically full list depending on how many
parts are replaced. There are a lot of links in the front
suspension and it is not uncommon to take it apart and find
that other things like tie rod ends are shot. Bad joints get to
be a safety concern so an inspection by a trusted tech is
something to strongly consider.
Lower Ball joints should not cost anywhere near $600 to replace. I just ordered a set of Lower ball joints off ebay, and turns out they are a set made from a company named lii chau automotive.
Car Suspension Parts, Vehicle Suspension System I also just got the lower left thrust arm from them. I know normally the consensus is to stay away from Chinese/Taiwanese products because their stuff is garbage.

But these items are both VERY good quality. I can barely move the ball joint attached to the arm and the items actually mimic the lemforder parts to the T, but they are heavy duty.

Anyways I got both my ball joints replaced for $100 and he took 40 mins MAX to do them, It was enough time for me to finish eating a sandwich and drink a soda... and he was looking at videos on youtube.
Is there a way I can test out the suspension to figure out what is bad? Or should I just take it to a mechanic?
The old way of testing a ball joint is to lift the vehicle so the suspension is hanging in the air, use LARGE channel locks to squeeze the ball joint from both sides, if there is any play, then you need to replace.
The old way of testing a ball joint is to lift the vehicle so the suspension is hanging in the air, use LARGE channel locks to squeeze the ball joint from both sides, if there is any play, then you need to replace.
Alternatively, you can park the car w/steering wheel in full left or right and roll it back and forth applying constant pressure on the wheel you want to check. When wheel reach the end of the travel, because of the transmission stopping the car, ball joint pops out. You cannot miss this if they are bad. This is what I did on mine.
Lower Ball joints should not cost anywhere near $600 to replace. I just ordered a set of Lower ball joints off ebay, and turns out they are a set made from a company named lii chau automotive.
Car Suspension Parts, Vehicle Suspension System I also just got the lower left thrust arm from them. I know normally the consensus is to stay away from Chinese/Taiwanese products because their stuff is garbage.

But these items are both VERY good quality. I can barely move the ball joint attached to the arm and the items actually mimic the lemforder parts to the T, but they are heavy duty.

Anyways I got both my ball joints replaced for $100 and he took 40 mins MAX to do them, It was enough time for me to finish eating a sandwich and drink a soda... and he was looking at videos on youtube.
Do not know how long they will last. Friend of mine put whole new chinese suspension kit on his BMW 540i right before he sold the car, but he say that people are complaining about those parts on bimmer forums, saying that they don’t last long. Please keep as updated.
Thanks! I will try both methods and see what I can find!
Hi! Can I ask what part number is for those ball joints? There are two ball joints showing on my search list. I just want to make sure about it. Thanks!
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