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Does anyone know how hard it would be to swap a diesel engine into an M-Class? Being US spec, would it be possible to swap in a used engine from a E300D, or would you have to import a 2.7 from Europe?

Has anyone out there done this?
 

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Roch207 - 4/8/2005 8:49 PM

Does anyone know how hard it would be to swap a diesel engine into an M-Class? Being US spec, would it be possible to swap in a used engine from a E300D, or would you have to import a 2.7 from Europe?

Has anyone out there done this?
Hi,
As you know there is nothing impossible but there are degrees of difficulty!

As for a 2.7, why would you have to import one when there is a JEEP truck/SUV powered with a 2.7L MB diesel engine?
I've never seen it myself but someone told me this a few weeks ago when I was discussing with him bringing my 400CDI into the US.

Good luck.
 

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Tried it. Walked into my local Jeep dealer with a wad of cash. Said I wanted a Jeep Liberty Diesel. Salesperson said they did not make one. I said you better check. I get a phone call the next day, he apologized and said he could not sell me one. Massachusetts dealers cannot sell them due to emmissions!

Same thing happened when I went to the MB dealer for a new E320D. Can't sell it in MA.
 

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Roch207 - 4/9/2005 6:09 PM

Tried it. Walked into my local Jeep dealer with a wad of cash. Said I wanted a Jeep Liberty Diesel. Salesperson said they did not make one. I said you better check. I get a phone call the next day, he apologized and said he could not sell me one. Massachusetts dealers cannot sell them due to emmissions!

Same thing happened when I went to the MB dealer for a new E320D. Can't sell it in MA.
This may sound naive but can't you buy it from a neighboring state(and have it registered it there)!?

Just a thought [}:)].
 

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Was that in unmarked small bills or were you just having fun with your color printer?

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Roch207 - 4/9/2005 3:09 PM

Walked into my local Jeep dealer with a wad of cash.
 

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All business transactions in this area are conducted with a wad of cash, dark sunglasses and a 3 piece suit. It also helps to have two friends come with you in identical attire, especially if you refer to them as Sal and Vinny, my associates.

"Sal, Vinny, help the Judge find his wallet."
 

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kayooh - 4/9/2005 6:39 PM

This may sound naive but can't you buy it from a neighboring state(and have it registered it there)!?

Just a thought [}:)].
Nope. A dealer might sell it to you, although most will probably be smart enough not to do so, but then when you take it to MA to register it, they won’t allow it. The only way to do it would be to have an out of state address to use for purposes of purchasing and registering it.
 

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Roch207 - 4/9/2005 3:09 PM

Tried it. Walked into my local Jeep dealer with a wad of cash. Said I wanted a Jeep Liberty Diesel. Salesperson said they did not make one. I said you better check. I get a phone call the next day, he apologized and said he could not sell me one. Massachusetts dealers cannot sell them due to emmissions!

Same thing happened when I went to the MB dealer for a new E320D. Can't sell it in MA.
Go to the Dodge dealer and ask for a Sprinter diesel. It's made by MB. [;)]

http://www.whnet.com/4x4/sprinter.html
 

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What about the other diesel. I'm not too keen on european cars, but i thought there was a 4.0 litre diesel also? The 2.7 is underpowered on the Jeep, and i don't see how it would be much different on the ML.
 

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laxman0324 - 11/23/2005 5:54 PM

What about the other diesel. I'm not too keen on european cars, but i thought there was a 4.0 litre diesel also? The 2.7 is underpowered on the Jeep, and i don't see how it would be much different on the ML.
There's a 4 liter V8 turbodiesel in the ML 400 CDI. Drives great on the Autobahn. I take it up to 220 km/h.

The 2.7 liter inline 5 turbodiesel in the Dodge Sprinter has lots of torque, I believe more than the ML 430 gas V8, and seems to be adequate for the van.

Both engines are scheduled to be replaced by newer versions next year.
 

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I think 3.0 liter diesel engines would not be underpowered. I drove one BMW530d and one BMW X3 3.0d, and they both can easily go over 220km/h, on German highway.
 

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CCORLEY - 11/23/2005 12:38 AM

I would give my left nut for a 310hp 5.0 liter VW Toureg Turbo Diesel [:0]
And based on feedback from to owners I’ve spoken to (one that traded for an ML500), you’d have to sell your right nut to pay for the repairs. The Touaregs have been troublesome, but the diesels especially.
 

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The 164 also gets the new V6 diesel in the ML320CDI in stead of the straight 5. It is all alloy (with just steel sleeving in the bores) and can mix it with the ML350 for power and slay it for torque.

WE aren't getting the 400 unfortunately but the 320CDI is still a big step up from the ML270!
 

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DaimlerChrysler to build new Sprinter van plant in US

Wolfgang - 11/23/2005 4:48 PM

Go to the Dodge dealer and ask for a Sprinter diesel. It's made by MB. [;)]

http://www.whnet.com/4x4/sprinter.html
It's official now that DaimlerChrysler will build a new van plant in South Carolina building the Sprinter turbodiesel vans sold under the Dodge and Freightliner brand in the US since 2001.
 

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Rumor on the G forum also points to a G320 CDI for the US market in 2007. I guess I'll wait and buy one of those. [:D]
 

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Most of the Euro/German diesel cars are not here yet, and there are a lot of great ones.
The quality of our diesel at the average pumps is not up to specs with what the euro folks get at their pumps. With the EPA "clean diesel" rules going into effect for 2007 we in the US will see a lot more very well proven great diesel vehicles from europe for sale. Diesel sales are already at an all time high in the US and it has been growing in Europe at an amazing pace. Stay tuned.
 

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Here's a blurb:



<b>Next-Gen Dodge Sprinter to be Built</b>
November 30, 2005

Motor Trend

The facility at Ladson, just a few miles north of Charleston, on the site of a subsidiary belonging to DaimlerChrysler's Freightliner LLC, will assemble the next generation Dodge Sprinter van which will replace the current Dodge Sprinter model in early 2007. Since 2001 the Sprinter has been on sale in the USA under the Freightliner and Dodge brands.

The all-new Dodge Sprinter promises new standards of refinement, space, and performance previously not offered in the light-duty van market. The van has become even more flexible with body and engine variants meeting all requirements and adds the safety feature of the new adaptive Electronic Stability Program (ESP), being able to measure the weight of the vehicle's load, calculate the center of gravity and adapt its responses correspondingly.

DaimlerChrysler will invest $35 million to convert the plant to van production for North American markets. Initially, 220 employees will be engaged in the production process when the plant produces its first van end of Q4 2006. Per October 2005, 22,800 Dodge and Freightliner Sprinters were sold in the NAFTA region (full year 2004: 19,800 units).

Further jobs could be created when the new van continues its success story in North America with its unique combination of fuel efficiency, car-like driving dynamics, and flexible cargo and passenger capacity.

DaimlerChrysler Board member and Head of the Commercial Vehicles Division, Mr Andreas Renschler, said strong demand for the current van put pressure on the capacity of the Gaffney, SC, assembly facility where final assembly of the vehicles has been ongoing for the past three years.

"The Gaffney plant, which currently also houses a DaimlerChrysler diesel heavy-duty chassis assembly facility operated by Freightliner Custom Chassis Corporation, has enabled the current van to gain a firm foothold in the North American market," added Renschler.

It is Freightliner Custom Chassis's ambition to redeploy the approximate 70 employees presently engaged in the reassembly of the Dodge and Freightliner Sprinter product at Gaffney, into other activities that are conducted at that location.

"We have ambitious, long term plans for the van market in North America", stated Dr. Rolf Bartke, Head of Mercedes-Benz Vans business unit. "The Ladson location will provide an immediate increase in annual output to 32,000 units, roughly 10,000 more than is possible today in Gaffney, as a first step to react to market demand", he added.

To allow for more volume a further factory expansion including body and paint shop is intended depending on the market development in the US and Canada.

The advantageous location of the Ladson facility also reduces in-process time since the kits, from which the vehicles are built, land directly at the Port of Charleston after shipping from Europe. The 460,000 sq.ft assembly plant at Ladson is the headquarters and main assembly operation for the American La France fire and emergency vehicle manufacturer - a business unit of Freightliner LLC.

The American La France unit will be divested as part of a corporate re-alignment, and the plant dedicated to the assembly of the new van. A comprehensive logistics study, conducted by DaimlerChrysler's Commercial Vehicles Division, found Ladson to have a clear strategic manufacturing advantage.

"As the world's largest commercial vehicle producer, we have the benefits of scale and financial resources to continue our policy of regularly introducing new and efficient products to meet the evolving needs of our global customer base," Renschler said.

News of the Dodge Sprinter production plans follows DaimlerChrysler's recent confirmation of the sale of 500 Orion hybrid-electric buses to New York City public transport authorities. It accompanies strong growth prospects for its North American Freightliner heavy-duty truck and school bus business unit.
 

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2007 Sprinter pics





The Sprinters are for folks who need a lot more cargo volume and payload than the M-Class offers..

Fedex, UPS, DHL use them...
 

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RE: 2007 Sprinter pics

Wolfgang - 12/14/2005 4:54 AM
The Sprinters are for folks who need a lot more cargo volume and payload than the M-Class offers..

Fedex, UPS, DHL use them...
We have a local ambulance company using them, too.
 
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