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Can Mercedes learn something from how Toyota runs their business?

Say how Toyota handles defects in their products -- just a thought.
 

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Isn't that wild that Toyota finds a defect, ceases production, and tells dealers to stop selling cars immediately.
 

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I think their back was to the wall. The problem dates back several years.
I do think it is a wise move on their part. It will give the impression of openness and honor.
 

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The law requires them to quit selling them. Chicken shits knew about the problem for a year.
 

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My wife has a 2009 Camry. The recall is "Certain Camry's" but I have not learned what is "certain". Anyone know what the problem is? Is it mechanical linkage, electronics, floor mats?

Still, I don't think Mercedes stands behind their cars as much as they should considering the perception that their cars are superior and considering the price they get for their cars.
 

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Isn't that wild that Toyota finds a defect, ceases production, and tells dealers to stop selling cars immediately.
Don't believe that horse shit. Toyota was FORCED to do the recall and cease production.
Not SELLING any new ones is a direct result.

Ford knew the Pinto would blow up and the Explorer would roll over and GM knew a side impact on the pick up could be deadly but they needed to get caught before they did something.

Welcome to the big leagues, Toyota.
 

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Don't believe that horse shit. Toyota was FORCED to do the recall and cease production.
Not SELLING any new ones is a direct result.

Ford knew the Pinto would blow up and the Explorer would roll over and GM knew a side impact on the pick up could be deadly but they needed to get caught before they did something.

Welcome to the big leagues, Toyota.
nobby: It is all the fault of that Ontario gas pedal supplier.....The Japanese built gas pedals do not have that problem......Do you know if Magna is the supplier???
 

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This talk of people having accidents, a hwy patrolman & family in cali(?) killed, this car in texas? I'm sorry, but even if there was a mechanical failure with the car, or if the floor mats jammed the pedal, the driver should have shifted to neutral and braked. I figure that this is indicative of the majority of cars and drivers never having driven a stick shift. If they had, it would have been second nature to shift the auto trans to neutral...
 

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nobby: It is all the fault of that Ontario gas pedal supplier.....The Japanese built gas pedals do not have that problem......Do you know if Magna is the supplier???
HA! No it's not Magna. It's an American company with a plant in Mississauga.


Like most companies that make thousands of parts in automobiles, CTS Corp. was virtually unknown to the average car buyer. That was until its gas pedal was blamed for big problems with some very popular cars.

The Elkhart, Ind.-based company found itself the focus of intense scrutiny Wednesday after Toyota halted sales of eight of its car and truck models over problems with gas pedals made by CTS.

The move followed Toyota's recall of 2.3 million vehicles such as late-model Camrys and Corolla sedans, RAV4 crossovers and Tundra trucks last week over fears that gas pedals could get stuck and cause unwanted acceleration. CTS made the accelerators at a plant outside of Toronto.

The parts supplier tried to tamp down concerns over its accelerators, saying it knew of fewer than a dozen cases of problems in Toyota vehicles. It also said there were no reports of pedals getting stuck, though Toyota warned federal safety officials last week that could occur in "the worst case."

CTS said it is working with Toyota on a new pedal design. The new equipment has been tested and is being shipped to some Toyota factories, according to the parts company. Separately, Toyota said that a redesigned pedal is in full production at CTS.

The Toyota recall hit one of CTS's bigger automotive supply businesses. The company makes gas pedal systems for a variety of automakers, including Toyota, Honda and Nissan.

But the problems are limited to Toyota models, and spokesmen for Nissan and Honda said their CTS-produced pedals are based on different designs. CTS said the Toyota business comprises only about 3 percent of its overall sales. The pedals were made to Toyota's design specifications, the company said.

Employees at the CTS plant in Mississauga, Ontario, where the Toyota accelerators are manufactured, would not comment Wednesday. Inside the building lobby was a 2005 trophy that read "Toyota Excellence." CTS was also recognized by Toyota in 2007 for "outstanding quality performance" in the prior year at the Canadian plant, according to a company press release.
 

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4 people killed in Southlake Texas driving a new Toyota. Shot off a dead end road into a pond. No skid marks. - Cause has not yet been proven but it looks bad for Toyota.



There is a purported 911 audiotape of that incident. Why or how they had the time and presence of mind to call, but as Joe comments, couldn't figure out how to stop the car, puzzles me.
 

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Most of the idiots don't know how to change a tire, what makes you think they would know what to do in an emergency. Most of grew up with cars, we learned from our parents how to act in certain situations on the road. Today there is a whole world of people that emigrated to the US or CANADA that were never in a car except to pass a road test. Add to that texting, phone, radios so powerful you can't hear other traffic, GPS, they don't even look where they are, they wait for broad in the radio to tell them when to turn left.
 

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the audio is from the Lexus driver/off duty policeman who had enough time to call 911, the Texas incident happened at a speed of about 35 mph on a small two lane road. The accident happened too quick for a call. Unfortunately they hit a tree, flipped upside down and drowned in the pond. If no pond, probably not 4 dead. I agree though. put the damn thing in neutral!
 

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Very interesting that the very day Toyota recalls ALL their defective cars, MBUSA called me about the letter I sent their President and informed me that they did not consider the sub-frame breaking a problem that they should handle on my 1977 280SL. This sure tells me something about the integrity of Toyota verses Mecerdes-Benz corporations.

Jerry - 1977 280SL (Euro)
 

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Very interesting that the very day Toyota recalls ALL their defective cars, MBUSA called me about the letter I sent their President and informed me that they did not consider the sub-frame breaking a problem that they should handle on my 1977 280SL. This sure tells me something about the integrity of Toyota verses Mecerdes-Benz corporations.

Jerry - 1977 280SL (Euro)
And, considering that Mercedes received much more money for their car and Mercedes claims their cars are better. Read what is on page 3 of my owners manual below.
 

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Aaaaand that would be...?
"You have chosen to drive a MERCEDES-BENZ, a car in whose construction and production we have taken great pains because we believe that quality is not a matter of chance." -- page 3, Owners Manual 380SL
 

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And, considering that Mercedes received much more money for their car and Mercedes claims their cars are better. Read what is on page 3 of my owners manual below.
Like you,Carl;I too recently bought new toyota(avalon limited) and am wondering when I'll go out of control.That aside,toyota and all other mfgs have had problems like this periodically,and have resolved them,as I hope toyota will on this one.My last 5 new cars have been MBs,but after this toyota(only 2k miles so far) i'm beginning to think I've been wasting 20k per car.Later.
 
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