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Greetings: I have 100000 miles on my 99 E320 4matic, and I want an S Class 4matic. I have 3 options: Buy an 04 S500 4matic with 7500 miles for $69000; Buy a new 05 S430 4 matic for roughly the same price; or wait for the 2007's. What are the pros and cons?
 

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How long do you normally keep cars? I have no problem keeping my 2000 S500 another two years until I get the redesigned '07. In fact I'll probably wait until I can get a used one before buying. If you follow that strategy then picking up a car now would not be a problem.

As for which model, I'd definitely go with the '04 S500 over the '05 S430. The power and acceleration on my S500 are a very large part of what makes it so much fun to drive and I wouldn't give that up for anything. I've also grown to love the softer Nappa leather seats.
 

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So a 2004 S500 4matic is better than a new 2005 S430 4matic? Why?
 

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2004 and earlier: all factory-sponsored maintenance is included along with the 48 mos/ 50k warranty. you will get the benefit of this maintenance commitment by buying a used 2004.

2005 and later: maintenance is on your own (i.e., benzo discontinued their maintenance commitment). sux.

s500: overall -- more luxurious inside. better seats (glove soft nappa leather. nice!), more standard equipment (that you can still have on the s430 but will cost you $ in options) such as xenon lights. burl walnut wood in the s500; calyputs wood in the s430. burl walnut looks much better -- classier look. the s430's wood is almost too bright and less expensive looking. power difference between the two exists but is not phenomenally different. and whilst i don't subscribe to this last point - it exists: snobbery. there is just something that people have about wearing a '500' badge instead of a '430' badge on the boot (trunk/ deck) lid of the car. and because of that --> resale value does hold better with the 500. you might not care about that give you run your cars to 100,000 miles ,,, dep'n at that point is fairly moot.

s430: for 2005, benzo is offering marketing support ($) to their dealers to the tune of $5,000 for 4matic equipped cars ($7,500 for non-4matic cars); a savvy negotiator will secure all of that $5,000 for themselves and not let the dealer keep it.

this is my opinion. i just went through the same exercise so my ideas are fairly fresh. i debated hard over the 430 vs. the 500; hard to justify $8,000 for a few more bhp ,,, but once inside of the car ,,, the 500 just FELT more like a real s-class. i don't mean to stir the hornets nest with this reply ,,, add asked for input ,,, and there you have it.

good luck. either car will be quiet, luxurious, and surely cost you millions in repairs after the warranty runs out and as you near 100,000 miles on this one!
 

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Would you pay 70500 + tax+ title etc for a 2004 S500 4matic with 1 extra year/100000 mile warranty, AND comfort pkg, cd changer, ditrnic, rear roller blinds, trunk closer, and trim package?
 

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$70,500 is fair but is no deal. the car should be prestine and really have only 7,500 miles for that price. edmunds says the car would be worth (dealer retail): $69,500; kelley blue book a little more.

watch out for those extended warranties. you'll read in this forum and see our pal brad (chucky300) at wit's end with his frustrations over an extended warranty that he bought from a benzo dealer on a slightly used car; they are giving him the run around on honouring the coverage. sound familiar?

as a point of reference: i bought my 2006 s500 for a little over $79,000 that carried a msrp of just under $90,000. i would have bought a 2005 but this 2006 had the exact equipment i wanted including the amg sport package ,,, so i went 06. i tell you this as way of background because now you can see how deep discounts on new models (i.e., mine) can affect the prices of used cars. therefore, i think you can and should negotiate more off of your $70,500. take the dealer a check for $70,000 and throw it on his desk and tell him that's the deal out the door (including taxes, title, yada). you'll be surprised how they'll jump when they see the cash.

good luck. cheers. ////ajm
 

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ajm0623 - 5/10/2005 1:55 PM

$70,500 is fair but is no deal. the car should be prestine and really have only 7,500 miles for that price. edmunds says the car would be worth (dealer retail): $69,500; kelley blue book a little more.

watch out for those extended warranties. you'll read in this forum and see our pal brad (chucky300) at wit's end with his frustrations over an extended warranty that he bought from a benzo dealer on a slightly used car; they are giving him the run around on honouring the coverage. sound familiar?

as a point of reference: i bought my 2006 s500 for a little over $79,000 that carried a msrp of just under $90,000. i would have bought a 2005 but this 2006 had the exact equipment i wanted including the amg sport package ,,, so i went 06. i tell you this as way of background because now you can see how deep discounts on new models (i.e., mine) can affect the prices of used cars. therefore, i think you can and should negotiate more off of your $70,500. take the dealer a check for $70,000 and throw it on his desk and tell him that's the deal out the door (including taxes, title, yada). you'll be surprised how they'll jump when they see the cash.

good luck. cheers. ////ajm
Wow - great advice.. i just bought my s500, 2005 model, 4 matic, has 13k miles or so for $75k. It was about $82k out the door with tax/title, etc. It has the xenon lights and also the massage feature chairs. How did I do?
 

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well done.

the most important thing is that YOU LIKE the car and are happy with it and the way it drives. though - adding a screaming financial deal on top of that is all the sweet sweet icing anyone every needs.

congrats and enjoy. cheers. ///ajm
 
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