[harley03joe]

BRAKE FLUID ?? I Got Castrol GT/LMA SYNTHETIC For ABS, Disc,And Drum Brake System Exceeds DOT 3 & DOT 4 Specs NEW Formuler.

Is This Ok To Use In My 2002 SL 500 ?
I'm Flushing Out All The Old Brake Fluid

Let Me Have Your Thinking On This Fluid
Thanks
Joe :Smoker:

P. S. I Looked All Over The Forum And Can't Find Anything On Brake Fluid !!!

 

[harley03joe]

I am wondering the same thing, not sure what I will use yet though...

Well I Just Sent Castrol An E-mail And This Is What I Said.


Can I Use CASTROL GT LMA Brake Fluid In My M-Benz 2002 SL 500 If It Calles For Dot 4
Without Harming My Seals And Hoses,
I Am Going To Flush Out All The Old DOT 4 First
Thank You
Joe

P. S. What Does It Say On Your Cap???
Mine Sez DOT 4

 

[harley03joe]

Some will insist using only MB approved DOT-4 brake fluids.
But I think most SAE approved name brand ones should do.
Do not mix DOT-5 with other DOT. For that matter do not use DOT-5 period. It is for racing (high temperature application) and will not be effective for everyday use as temperature will never get that high.

Beware that depends on year/model of your car, you may need to open some valves at the ABS/ESP brake controller in order to bleed that part of the system (I read it somewhere but don't recall off hand where, or how to do it).

Well My Cap Said Use Dot 4
The Fluid Looks Good In It So I'LL Just Bleed One Wheel At A Time I Use The Mighty Vac Hand Pump ..I Might Be Ok
Thanks
Joe :Smoker:

 

[harley03joe]

Some will insist using only MB approved DOT-4 brake fluids.
But I think most SAE approved name brand ones should do.
Do not mix DOT-5 with other DOT. For that matter do not use DOT-5 period. It is for racing (high temperature application) and will not be effective for everyday use as temperature will never get that high.

Beware that depends on year/model of your car, you may need to open some valves at the ABS/ESP brake module in order to bleed that part of the system (I read it somewhere but don't recall off hand where, or how to do it).

Should I Use Ate Brake Fluid DOt 4
Here Is A Pic Of The Can
Thanks
Joe :Smoker:

 

[harley03joe]

Joe, from the 'blue stickys' on the first page of the forum...

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/att...-factory-mbfactoryapprovedserviceproducts.pdf

Even though the document is dated 2001, the spec for the brake fluid for your 2002 is the same.

Bob

Yes I Saw That.
But What About This??? i Really Don't Want To Go To The Dealer For Brake Fluid.

Ate Brake Fluid DOt 4

 

[harley03joe]

Joe,
Spec says DOT 4, can says DOT 4, Yes...

Bob

Ok Thank You
Where Is The Best Place To Buy ATE Rear Calipers ??
For Not To Much Money
Joe

 

[harley03joe]

Joe, This parts provider is reliable and reasonably priced...

Parts Bin - Auto Parts and Accessories Catalog - 2002 Mercedes Benz SL500 Brake Caliper

A google search on the term 'ate+caliper+mercedes' may get you some other choices.

Bob

Well Thanks Bob.

I Called My Napa Dealer Parts House And I'm Getting Them For $70.00 X 2 = $140.00 Much Better For Right And Left Rear

Not $219.95 And $196.95 = $416.90 Way More Then I Want To Spend

But Thank You For Looking For Me That Was Real Nice Of You :thumbsup:

Joe :Smoker:

 

[harley03joe]

Well, your welcome, Joe-

If NAPA is selling the identical caliper that cheap, you got the deal of the decade-

********************************************************
Well I Don't See Anything Special About The Caliper. It's Only A 2 Piston Caliper.

Well Here Is Is

Browse Catalog >> Brake Systems >> Calipers & Caliper Hardware
Vehicle: 2002 >> Mercedes-Benz >> SL500
Item Number Price Select
Brake Caliper w/ Hardware - Left Rear (Semi-Loaded) - Remfd
Except Silver Arrow Edition All Supplied w/ Metal Pistons as Original Equipment SDC
24272420 $67.50
Core $33.33
*********************************************************
Brake Caliper w/ Hardware - Right Rear (Semi-Loaded) - Remfd

Except Silver Arrow Edition All Supplied w/ Metal Pistons as Original Equipment SDC
24272419
$67.50
Core $33.33


NAPAONLINE


P. S. Napa Sells Very Good Parts.

 

[harley03joe]

Joe, as above, you originally asked for a source for ATE calipers which I sent you. The ATE's were new.

You ended up with remanufactured brand unknown calipers. If all you really wanted was the cheapest ones regardless of brand, you might have said so and I wouldn't have wasted time on it since you apparently already shopped NAPA. Good luck with the brakes.

Ok Ok Don't Get Anal On Me Now,, I Believe I Said

But Thank You For Looking For Me That Was Real Nice Of You :bowdown:

Plus For Not To Much Money Does Not Mean NEW.
And I Did Not Make You Wast Your Time, I Was Hopeing You Did It Out Of The Kindness Of Your Heart

Thanks Again :bowdown:
:Smoker:

 

[harley03joe]

the brake fluid GTLMA by Castrol exceeds DOT 3 and DOT 4, I belive it is SYNTHETIC and it is fine if mixed with the old one and if you are not sure if you did flush all fluid out and some was left and by that mixed up. YES you can use it in the SL but I will rate it at good and for sure not best brake fluid - (I do have that cr... "thing" in my 330CI and I can feel downgrade difference compared back to my factory original fluid fill. In my SL I flushed with ATE super blue and it is the BEST brake fluid like BREMBOS make the best brake caliipers awwww now will get comments on different brands ! You can get ate super blue (or gold) from performanceproducts for like $15 per bottle of 1Liter, but you will need around 600mls for complete flush. make sure you don't pump more than 12psi your brake bleeder - ! 2psi will go down on every calliper so keep eye on the gage! Also get rubber mallet to tap GENTLY on the callipers to get all the small bubbles from the inner corners. BEFORE performing brake bleeding get in your car and pump your brake pedal more than 70 times (yes it does sound crazy but 70times should work out.....) by that you will manually open the small "ports" (gates, call it whatever) inside your ABS unit otherwise you will not be able to flush the brake fluid from the ABS, unless of course if connected to the MB star computer. It took me 2 hours, but if I do flush NOT on my cars it will take me 20 min max ........



PS: btw get masking tape to cover your fenders, oh and you will need 9mm open key for the calliper bleeder screws. If you don't use torque wrench (I did not use it on purpose), before opening the calliper nipples MARK them with either marker or make some small scratch on the screw so when closing them it will align with the marks as it was before - ( and yeah of course that does not mean the previous person did it corecctly, but so far if it was good - it should be again good ) .......

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IS THIS WITH THE ENG RUNNING ???

((BEFORE performing brake bleeding get in your car and pump your brake pedal more than 70 times (yes it does sound crazy but 70times should work out.....) by that you will manually open the small "ports" (gates, call it whatever) inside your ABS unit otherwise you will not be able to flush the brake fluid from the ABS))

Thanks
Joe :Smoker:

 

[harley03joe]

Don't be anal with Joe.
He wants to know about the best deal on calipers and oil.
First he asks for CASTOR oil then ATE.
But all in all he is a good guy.
Regards.
aam.

See AAM
This Is Why I Love The Sight, Because Of Guys Like You AAM
I Am Working On Everything, Because I'M Retired And I Have Nothing To Do :thumbsup:

 

[harley03joe]

hi Joe,
NO ENGINE RUNNING !!! (put the key in the pocket and smile) btw that procedure is for the BMW's, but the ABS units are not different at all than the Benzzzzzezzzz thx
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hey aam, hehe LOL I did not know that I'm telling that info on A pro ! After my 4 brake fluid flushes I tought that I'm the "one" and keep giving advices lef to to right - lol heh now I feel like awwww thanks

S3C:
Thanks, But Without A Book Anymore , I Come Here For AAM's Advice, I Only Worked On Cars For 45 Years But For The Last 20 I Was The Fleet MGR For The City, Now They Pay Me to Sit Home And Work On My Cars & Bikes

I Am No Pro When It Comes To Benz, I Had A 89 300 SEL But That Car Was Very Easy To Work On, Kept It 10 Years I Said It Was My Work Car ,,, This SL 500
Is My Beach Car,, Along With My Camera

Tell me Again Why I Have To Pump The Brakes 70 times ??
In Length.

Do I Pump The With My Pressure Pump Hooked Up With Pressure On It Or What ??.

I Hear All Kind Of Ways To Do It .
So If You Can Walk My Tru It That Would Be Great To Get This Flush Job Done.
But Remember Im Changing All The Hoses To S.Steel And 2 Rear Cal. I'm Replaceing. When Do I Pump The Brakes 70 Times ?


Thank You
Joe :Smoker:

 

[harley03joe]

S3C.
Don't let Joe fool you he was a professional for 45 years.
He knows more then all of us put together.
At the same time he has lots of time pulling our chain.

Now lets see, he is in to bikes, cars, naked women and playing possum / dead.
The order may not be accurate.
S*T I better watch out, I got a guy pissed off not to long.
No, he was a party pooper.
But I do hope I helped fix his car.

Joe read on bleeding brakes, there is a special procedure for your car
I think you have a valve by the master cylinder to play with.
And don't forget to open the bleed screws when you back the calipers.

If you can get the ATE fluid go for it it may be better.
Although I am no so sure.

S3C.
Hydraulics are not compressible, so there should be no difference in pedal feel,
now if you get them hot is a different story.
Maybe you had air or dirt in?
You should flush the fluid out every year any ways.
Every time I have the car up I vacuum the brakes a bit, to be on the safe side.
But the difference on dot 3 or 4 is the boiling point.
And maybe rust inhibitors, not so sure about that either.

Regards.
aam.

PS. Joe,
The reservoir has two compartments the one in the far side you can drain it with out knowing it, and put air in the system.
Make sure you got the oil up on both, there is a small hole that connects them,so when you look at the left and you add the oil it takes time to go to the one on the right, so you are pumping air in...............
Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Remember small holes are difficult to.......... Fill up.

Very Nice Write Up AAM

Yes I Been Tru This On My 89 300 SEL "reservoir has two compartments"
Im Going With DOT 4.

This Statment Is NOT TRUE "He knows more then all of us put together"

Thanks For All You Do For Me And Us As A Group

Joe :Smoker:

 

[harley03joe]

After aam mention Valve Y61, now I remember from AllData : for bleeding ABS you have to open Valve Y61, then you can bleed it the 'old' way. But if your car has ESP you have to use the HHT to bleed that. The HHT has an ESP brake bleeding mode that activates the EPS pump to move the fluid.
My car does not have ESP so I don't know if using the HHT is the only way for flushing ESP, or there are ways around that.

Well Here Are A Few Pictures Of My Master And ABS .
I Don't See Any Y61 Valve, It's Just The Master And 2 Lins On It, Thats It

So Now What ?
Thanks
Joe :Smoker:

 

[harley03joe]

You got a 2002, and it may have a different braking system than our older models.
Is your car a 129 068 ? My 1998 is a 129 067 (without the ESP option), and I think aam has an older model too.

Here is a link to Brake system for 129 067
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And for 129 068 Êàòàëîã

Looks like the 068 is a lot simpler than the older 067. But it could also means it may need the HHT to bleed the system too.

Well I Thank You For All That Good Info

But I Stiil Dont Know How To Bleed This Brake Set Up ??

Joe :Smoker:

 

[harley03joe]

Looks like somebody already did, LOL. Is there any fluid in your reservoir?

It looks empty...

No Its Still Full, I'm Just Going To Back Feed The Fluid Tru The Bleeder Till It Comes Out The Top Of The Hose After I Crack It Open,, I Should Be Ok
Thanks
Joe :Smoker:

 

[harley03joe]

Joe from the look of it you should be OK.
But I don't know everything, so read your manual.
Measure twice cut ones.
Regards.
aam.

Ha Ha Ha Now Thats Funny.
"But I don't know everything, so read your manual."

If They Made A Manual , I Would Not Be Here Asking All The Questions
I'm Not Real Happy About M-Benz Not Printing A Paper Manual, I Still Think Thats Bull Sh&&

Thanks
Joe :Smoker:

 

[harley03joe]

Well joe, just print out the content of the DVD and pretend you have a paper manual from MB.

ROFLMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
RKH You And AAM Sure Make Funny Post's ha ha .
Way To Funny

The Old Goat :Smoker:

 

[harley03joe]

hey aam heh yeah braking like the Flinstones - you must like cartoons like me lol
well Joe,... did check in one of the bmw brochures and it said to be pumped more than 70 times before performing brake fluid flush, but did not stated as on running or none running engine, will have to search for the other book. I know it was listed over the WEB too somewhere (if you do search under "E46 brakes") here is link from BAV AUTO not sure if it is listed there but you can check in the DIY -- BMW Parts and BMW Accessories | Bavarian Autosport........,

" Do I Pump The With My Pressure Pump Hooked Up With Pressure On It Or What ??."
NO - NOT YET CONNECTED !!!! you can do that BEFORE connecting your pressure bleeder and before performing ANY Brake work !

btw on the 1st picture from your brake fluid reservoir I can see that you to have "MISSING" small screw, you can see the holes under the brake reservoir for where the screw is supposed to be ................(my '99 SL don't have it either, the same story in other SL's that I did check .... I asume it is "normal" ...... .

not much time this dayZZ for forums so I will be quick in the replays .... looking for used E39 '02 540 bimmer wagon ........ anyone have one for sale

S3C:
Thank You For The Good Post, I Read It All And I'm Done With My Brakes Now
Thanks Again
Joe :Smoker: