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Any current users of this device?
Comments?
Pros and Cons?
Better device in same price range?

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Hi,

I don't think there is one within it's price range, excellent value, however, regarding MB's it is not SDS ;)
 

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I've used the ds708 and it was great on my s55 I'm now using the maxisys elite and its excellent both have served all my needs however as Dave said it's not sds which I haven't had an opportunity to use to be able to compare but I haven't come across anything the elite won't do that sds will, I wish the sds wasn't so archaic for such an awesome car
 

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What鈥檚 it cost? $275 is more than halfway to actually getting SDS. And, what can it do?

While half the cost might sound attractive, getting 5% of the utility for half the cost is no bargain. I just did an ABC system check and rodeo after installing a new pump.

Further, my SDS includes WIS, so the proper torques, procedures, including bleeding, and testing/actuations are all available to me.

So, depending on your car, and what you鈥檙e able to do, you might want to save your $$ and put it towards SDS.
 

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My top end Autel cost 拢1200, 3 times the cost of basic SDS C3 16pin DLC Set Up.

I have just bought a 2019 SDS on Panasonic Touch Screen CF19 for under 拢400 (no Mux and Leads), but I already have SD Connect C4 with my 2017 system which now works with both systems.
Also have 2014 Dell with C3.

I have over 12 Dealer level systems now, for various mfrs, plus 3 generics, Autel, Snap On and Delphi, plus an Autel Hand Held TPMS machne.

Reasons............... I am a professional Garage Business and ..............

1) No one machine does all on all Marques

2) Deductible via Tax, why give the money to IRS when I have a use for these machines
 

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In your case, that makes sense. In my case, I鈥檝e got dealer level (laptop and MUX) for Volvo, Mercedes, and Toyota because I do my own work. None are deductible.

My Google search results of this unit showed a cost of $275, and modest capability.

For general use, perhaps, I can see the value, but for Mercedes owners, I don鈥檛 see the value.

The OP didn鈥檛 specify intended use, making recommendations difficult.
 

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Hi @Astro14

Sorry, I think we are getting crossed wires here ...............

You've lost me what cost $275 ?? The little mini Autel I presume ?? That is not the one I bought !!
This is the Autel I bought, (not from EBay tho):-


It is a very very good Generic Machine, but Dealer Level it is not.

I was going to buy a newer Snap On to upgrade my Solus Ultra Pro, but Snap On prices are now ridiculous for the capability, and s/w updates, again, good machines, but not on everything !!

So I decided to try the Autel, which is now my first port of call Machine, for the fairly obvious faults, it is quick and easy to use like the Snap On.
If it looks like the fault is gonna get involved, then out come the Big Guns on the Dell "fleet" ........................ I only use 1 Mfr per Laptop, avoids any grief, and I only have to rebuild one Machine if one goes wrong, not the whole bloomin' arsenal lol ;)

And I take it you are saying you have SDS on Laptop, as well as Vida Dice and Techstream ?? ;)

I would not / have not recommended above a serious DIY W220 Owner should buy anything other than SDS, which for W220 would start at around 拢400 for a C3 Based System with the 16 pin Lead and C3 Mux ;)

All I said was it's a good machine for the money ;)

HTH,
 

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Beware of those cheap chinese C3 muxes etc. They can and will die without warning. I got just over a year with.mine when it became a paper weight. The useless UK supplier could not repair it so instead I bought a genuine original Daimler mux for about the same price. I have a Russian contact who can supply them. I also have videos he sent me of the reasons why china clones are cheap and I can share them on this forum on request.

Sure some might say it saved me so much doesn't matter if it only lasts a year or two. Not my attitude to making such a purchase its alot of money to waste when they die
 

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There are several Chinese manufacturers - some good, some not so good. I have bought two, the first in January 2013, the second a couple of years ago, from two different vendors. Both are still working.

I wish that they had brand-names, etc., but that isn't too practical for pirates...

I think that it would be interesting to know for certain that your Russian contact would readily supply real Daimler mux units to the folks on here - there should be quite a market for him.
 

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Hi, @JC220 ,

Please do post any info you have.

I have C3 and C4 China Mux's had the C4 2 years still fine, and the C3 for circa 7 years and still fine, hopefully they will remain so, but if one dies I'd be more than happy to spend my money with your Russian contact :)
 

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Hi, @JC220 ,

Please do post any info you have.

I have C3 and C4 China Mux's had the C4 2 years still fine, and the C3 for circa 7 years and still fine, hopefully they will remain so, but if one dies I'd be more than happy to spend my money with your Russian contact :)
To summarise my situation I had bought a new china clone MB C3 Star setup with laptop from a UK specialist company. It was around 800 USD at the time in 2016. I only used it for a few times on my personal cars and when it was approx 1 鈥 1.5 years old it stopped working putting up some errors on the screen - refusing to connect. Bugger!

The UK vendor who sold it to me agreed to take it in for repair at my cost. Long story short some 4 months passed by and despite many promises it became clear he was unable to repair it and was stringing me along. So I had my system collected from this UK shop by my brother. That is a very long and boring story cut short.

So now I had a Star C3 system that was broken and could find no-one in the UK to repair it. I had seen some posts on 500E board from member E500Star and I am very glad I did! He logged in remotely via Team viewer and was able to resolve many of the software issues that were in my Star system. But the Mux was indeed not working.

What I will share now is what I think it some essential information on these China Clones VS Original. These videos and photos belong to E500Star and he sent them to me during our Whatsapp discussions






You will see that it is quite easy to identify a Clone Mux just by looking at the labels. But that these differences also much are deeper inside the unit in terms of quality and longevity 鈥 which is to be expected with a china clone!! After Yuri confirmed it was a hardware / mux issue he asked me to send him pictures of my broken mux inside. This is how it looked:


IMG-20180827-WA0004.jpg

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Yuri can also offer a service of rebuilding some china muxes to original standard with higher quality parts installed onto the circuit board. This picture below shows an original relay to be installed for example:

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Yuri also changes the processors to original Samsung items. This work even extended to the outer casing!

Note that In the end up I opted to buy an original Daimler mux from Yuri and Panasonic Toughbook complete setup. The price of the REAL Mux is approx. 500usd inc software at the time I bought it from him.


What a genuine Mux looks like inside:

IMG-20180830-WA0004.jpg

 

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There are several Chinese manufacturers - some good, some not so good. I have bought two, the first in January 2013, the second a couple of years ago, from two different vendors. Both are still working.

I wish that they had brand-names, etc., but that isn't too practical for pirates...

I think that it would be interesting to know for certain that your Russian contact would readily supply real Daimler mux units to the folks on here - there should be quite a market for him.
There isn't really any such thing as a "good" Chinese mux supplier in my opinion. There is a good reason they are cheap.

There is very little info out there on these units. The videos I have are what Yuri sent me. He is Russian and tried to get his points across. You can see the sheer QTY of relays in there - if any one of them fails you have problems and just try to find anyone willing to repair it.....

My Daimler mux is working perfectly and I expect it will for many more years to come. I will never buy china muxes again but that's just me since I already lost 拢拢拢 on one.

Note that Yuri specialises in these and can repair them too in some cases. And offers the software and proper remote support. He or a German contact of his can log into your laptop remotely and repair issues / licenses etc. Indeed the German dude is one of the most advanced MB software guys on the planet - no kidding.

Yuris email address is [email protected]
 

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I will certainly look him up ;)

Thanks for that useful info, I guess some guys get lucky in the China Lotto and some don't ;)
 

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First - Dave, I wasn't intending to imply that what you bought was the $275 machine. My Google search of the unit posted by the OP (remember him? He asked a question about the
Autel MaxiDiag Advanced (MD808 Pro) All System OBDII Scanner

... :) ) turned up a $275 unit and specs. I just found it on Amazon for $177. A good unit for the price, and versatile, but not what I would recommend for a W220 owner.

Next, yeah, I've got three laptops, running Win 7 Pro or XP, and each one has a dedicated software package and MUX for each car type (though, to be fair, Techstream is just an OBD - USB cable).

Finally, great information on the Chinese MUX for SDS. Mine is a Chinese clone and it won't shut down completely and kills batteries, which killed the software load after several years.

I got some great help from a forum member in getting that running, and following his advice, I remove the batteries each time I am done with the MUX, which has kept it working.
 

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Hi @Astro14

Hey no problem I wasn't being sarcastic or anything like that.

Somewhere I did a pictorial write up about C4, I added Rechargeable batteries, which can be turned off via a small switch on the outer cover ;)

You are correct yes, everyone and his dog says don't bother with Batteries, and then moans when they go pop ;)
The correct procedure which I'm sure you know, is unplug DLC, use the spanner button and "Shut Down" option, it then says it's asleep, but is of course draining the Batteries, which you remove, I have a switch ;)

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