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America Is Not a Democracy
How the United States lost the faith of its citizens—and what it can do to win them back

 

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Julian Assange - the case of the WikiLeaks founder | DW Documentary

 

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America Is Not a Democracy
How the United States lost the faith of its citizens—and what it can do to win them back

Great article. Hits my opinion on the head. When you see the movie about Cambridge Analytica, “The Great Hack”, and consider the warped freak element that the electoral college has become, you realize how easily the system can be rigged in the cyber age.
 

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this is a tough one
 

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Cry me a river... America was never a democracy, at least not for blacks, women, immigrants, or indigenous people.
 

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NO democracy on this planet even comes close to "true" democracy. It's an impossible goal. All we plebs can do is respond to the "bread and circuses" thrown at us, decide whose bread and whose circus we prefer.
 

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NO democracy on this planet even comes close to "true" democracy. It's an impossible goal. All we plebs can do is respond to the "bread and circuses" thrown at us, decide whose bread and whose circus we prefer.
You should probably do a little more research before making those sweeping statements of yours you like to make such as this one, go watch that documentary about the kurds that tuetone posted for example, the democracy the kurds are trying to make is an actual democracy, which is one of the reasons why Assad, Putin, Trump and Edrogen want it stamped out so badly...terrorists...pfffft

Anyhow, there are democracies out there, just not here
 

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You should probably do a little more research before making those sweeping statements of yours you like to make such as this one, go watch that documentary about the kurds that tuetone posted for example, the democracy the kurds are trying to make is an actual democracy, which is one of the reasons why Assad, Putin, Trump and Edrogen want it stamped out so badly...terrorists...pfffft

Anyhow, there are democracies out there, just not here
Read Animal Farm and get back to me.
 

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"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others "

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Animal Farm is an analogy not the word of God FFS

On the whole I agree with you, governments are generally corrupt, some more than others, but I stand by my assertion that there are also some pretty good democracies out there, Iceland for instance, I'm not against your premise, I'm just saying that it's not all encompassing, I'll tell you what, since I read Animal Farm and got back to you, why don't you watch that video Tuetone posted and get back to me

 

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Iceland has a population of under 350,000, or a small city, or about 1/900 of the US.

Every large country is run by a deep state of vested interests, landed gentry, corrupt businessmen, or other elusive people who shun the limelight. They're like the huge portion of an iceberg hidden below the surface of the ocean.

Even appointing a new POTUS rarely changes very much at all. It's like those tugs used to divert icebergs away from oil rigs - they can't hope to tow it off at 90 degrees, all they can do is alter its course a little to the left or a little to the right, just enough to miss the platform. You get a liberal POTUS, the iceberg gets moved a little to the left. In four or eight years time, a new POTUS moves the iceberg a little the other way. But by and large the iceberg just keeps moving in the direction the iceberg wants to.
 

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Define large country. England is not large nor small and yet it is high in the democracy index. So is Chile, and Canada.


Democracy Index 2018
RankCountryScoreElectoral process
and pluralism
Functioning of
government
Political
participation
Political
culture
Civil
liberties
Regime
type
Continent
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Norway
9.8710.009.6410.0010.009.71Full democracyEurope
2
Iceland
9.5810.009.298.8910.009.71Full democracyEurope
3
Sweden
9.399.589.648.3310.009.41Full democracyEurope
4
New Zealand
9.2610.009.298.898.1310.00Full democracyOceania
5
Denmark
9.2210.009.298.339.389.12Full democracyEurope
6
Ireland
9.159.587.868.3310.0010.00Full democracyEurope
6
Canada
9.159.589.647.788.7510.00Full democracyNorth America
8
Finland
9.1410.008.938.338.759.71Full democracyEurope
9
Australia
9.0910.008.937.788.7510.00Full democracyOceania
10
Switzerland
9.039.589.297.789.389.12Full democracyEurope
11
Netherlands
8.899.589.298.338.139.12Full democracyEurope
12
Luxembourg
8.8110.008.936.678.759.71Full democracyEurope
13
Germany
8.689.588.578.337.509.41Full democracyEurope
14
United Kingdom
8.539.587.508.338.139.12Full democracyEurope
15
Uruguay
8.3810.008.576.117.509.71Full democracySouth America
16
Austria
8.299.587.868.336.888.82Full democracyEurope
17
Mauritius
8.229.178.215.568.759.41Full democracyAfrica
18
Malta
8.219.178.216.118.758.82Full democracyEurope
19
Spain
8.089.177.147.787.508.82Full democracyEurope
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Costa Rica
8.079.587.506.677.509.12Full democracyNorth America
 

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Iceland has a population of under 350,000, or a small city, or about 1/900 of the US.

Every large country is run by a deep state of vested interests, landed gentry, corrupt businessmen, or other elusive people who shun the limelight. They're like the huge portion of an iceberg hidden below the surface of the ocean.

Even appointing a new POTUS rarely changes very much at all. It's like those tugs used to divert icebergs away from oil rigs - they can't hope to tow it off at 90 degrees, all they can do is alter its course a little to the left or a little to the right, just enough to miss the platform. You get a liberal POTUS, the iceberg gets moved a little to the left. In four or eight years time, a new POTUS moves the iceberg a little the other way. But by and large the iceberg just keeps moving in the direction the iceberg wants to.
We know this but the people have always had the ability to push back against these fuckers, from Frances methods with trumbrils to using ballot boxes, FDR and "The New Deal", there are ways to fight back, just not by voting for Biden or any other corporate stooge. all the points you make are "generally speaking" true, but history says on a long enough timeline eventually governments that are that corrupt self implode or the people come along and line them up against a wall, the struggle is eternal, absolutely, but the icebergs all eventually fade away to be replaced by something new, the only constant is change and although in many cases it's "meet the new boss the same as the old boss" isn't ALWAYS a truism



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Churchill said "Democracy is the worst kind of government. Except for all the others."
 

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We know this but the people have always had the ability to push back against these fuckers, from Frances methods with trumbrils to using ballot boxes, FDR and "The New Deal", there are ways to fight back, just not by voting for Biden or any other corporate stooge. all the points you make are "generally speaking" true, but history says on a long enough timeline eventually governments that are that corrupt self implode or the people come along and line them up against a wall, the struggle is eternal, absolutely, but the icebergs all eventually fade away to be replaced by something new, the only constant is change and although in many cases it's "meet the new boss the same as the old boss" isn't ALWAYS a truism



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Charles I was replaced by Cromwell. Who despite what you might have been taught was no fan of democracy. Ask the Scots and Irish.
 

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^ Yes. For a country not yet 250 years old, the US has quite a track record: Lincoln, Garfield, McInley, Kennedy, Reagan (almost)...
 

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Next time in Paris, remember that nicely paved and pretty looking Place de la Concorde used to be awash with blood, and the place where during the French Revolution a busy guillotine chopped off the heads of King and Queen, and assorted nobles incl Robespierre..
 

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Robespierre was also responsible for "the terrors", a kind of Stalinist purge that followed the revolution. My Alta Mata, Brunel. is named for Isambart Marc Brunel and his son Isambart Kingdom Brunel, both highly acclaimed 18th-19th century engineers. Brunel senior fled France during the Robespiere terrors.
 
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