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Hi guys,
I have just got myself a vito 108cdi and im thinking of putting some alloys on it,as the steel rims that are on it now have seen better days (they are really bad)...

Im using it for work and play, also i need it to carry some weight in it from time to time.. So i need alloys that are up to the job and are also cheap on Tyres 15" or 16" Im looking to spend around £200 to £400 on a set...

Also im looking on Ebay to buy some from there??? Some people on here say they have ML wheels on there vitos,will they be ok???

also do i need other wheel bolts for alloys etc etc...

Many thanks...

PS.. its my first Vito and im loving it..Thinking of buying a second one just to do up..:thumbsup:
 

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oaksy said:
Hi guys,
I have just got myself a vito 108cdi and im thinking of putting some alloys on it,as the steel rims that are on it now have seen better days (they are really bad)...

Im using it for work and play, also i need it to carry some weight in it from time to time.. So i need alloys that are up to the job and are also cheap on Tyres 15" or 16" Im looking to spend around £200 to £400 on a set...

Also im looking on Ebay to buy some from there??? Some people on here say they have ML wheels on there vitos,will they be ok???

also do i need other wheel bolts for alloys etc etc...

Many thanks...

PS.. its my first Vito and im loving it..Thinking of buying a second one just to do up..:thumbsup:

Hi oaksy,

You have many many choices mate, I have a set of 17" O.Z Superturismo GT on mine, so more and more of the bigger alloy wheel manufacturers are finally starting to notice that people want their vans and MPV's to look good! You could go the ML route but to be honest a lot of people do that so yours wouldn't look different and personally I don't think the ML wheels look that good :eek:.

I've sent you a link to a company called TyreSave who sell alloys for vans; they sell various brands and prices to suit everyone.

Van, Minibus & Motorhome Alloy Wheels from TYRESAVE

There is also a company called Van Style. The Vito in the picture is of a new shaped Vito but they do sell stuff for the old shape too.
Mercedes Vito Van 1997-03 Wheels - Tyres


If you buy new wheels they should come with alloy wheel bolts, you will need to buy a good set of locking nuts though. You don't want some so and so nicking them do you.

If you need more help give me a shout.

Benz Bling
 

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Hey! I have ML alloys but not fitted just yet.... I have a dented back door to replace first :(

Anyway, before you put alloys on it, you gotta lower the van. Springs are available for 160 quid from Here. Benz bling lovely blue van looks lush as it has been lowered.. look at it.. mmm.....
 

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Another shout for OZ rims. Great quality, axle load rating pretty close to standard (725kg per rim v's 800 for stock) and look the business. I almost went multi-spoke but then went for these...



BB - are they the 7.5s? What tyres? Do you get any scrubbing? I have 7.5" wide rims and 225 rubber - the tyres stick proud and look like they may foul the arches on big bumps. Want to make sure before dropping it by 40mm!
 

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oaksy said:
Hi guys,
I have just got myself a vito 108cdi and im thinking of putting some alloys on it,as the steel rims that are on it now have seen better days (they are really bad)...

Im using it for work and play, also i need it to carry some weight in it from time to time.. So i need alloys that are up to the job and are also cheap on Tyres 15" or 16" Im looking to spend around £200 to £400 on a set...

Also im looking on Ebay to buy some from there??? Some people on here say they have ML wheels on there vitos,will they be ok???

also do i need other wheel bolts for alloys etc etc...

Many thanks...

PS.. its my first Vito and im loving it..Thinking of buying a second one just to do up..:thumbsup:
Hi all and firstly let me intruduce myself.

The name here is Neil from teesside and i have just aqquired a vito but in the standard form there look gross.

Although im new to this forum and to the vitos i have experence with modding past motors and Although i have only had the rims on a few weeks i can confirm what im running is 100% with no catching.
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There a five spoke 18" 7.5wide and look great.
I originally wanted 225 45 18 which is a perfect rolling radius but in the end the keep cost down im using a 235 40 18 which 40% of 235 is nearly the same as a 225 and you also get a wider tyre.
Also keep the offset right as the car will be all over the place and will increase wear on steering components and tryes.
These have a 48 offset and do not petrude the arches at all

Be very careful to keep the wieghts right on both wheel and tyre for two reasons.
1.safety
2.Insurance and could be law but dont qoute me on that.

Im sure when i drop it there will still be no catching but i may have to be carefull on ther rear as i tow a big caravan.
Im thinking about air lifters for that odd occasion.
Anyway ill stop waffling on and will try and stick a few pictures of her on here.

Cheers neil
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adamuk said:
Hey! I have ML alloys but not fitted just yet.... I have a dented back door to replace first :(

Anyway, before you put alloys on it, you gotta lower the van. Springs are available for 160 quid from Here. Benz bling lovely blue van looks lush as it has been lowered.. look at it.. mmm.....
Hi Adamuk,

You've made me feel guilty now about the ML alloys, especially after your nice comments about my motor. LOL :D

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Another shout for OZ rims. Great quality, axle load rating pretty close to standard (725kg per rim v's 800 for stock) and look the business. I almost went multi-spoke but then went for these...



BB - are they the 7.5s? What tyres? Do you get any scrubbing? I have 7.5" wide rims and 225 rubber - the tyres stick proud and look like they may foul the arches on big bumps. Want to make sure before dropping it by 40mm!
Hi Darkside,

Yeah they are 7.5". I have 215/50 17 Yokohama C-Drive tyres, they are W rated, so they have nice strong sidewalls. I do get a little bit of scrubbing on the rear when going over big bumps at speed, I'm going to get the arches rolled once I have found a place in the Midlands. Are you going to change your dampers when you lower it? I did and it made a massive difference, I went for Koni dampers and H&R springs the handling is unbelievable. Just got to get some decent brakes on it, the standard ones are rubbish. One other thing, what O.Z wheels do you have? Only the picture doesn't seem to laod up.

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Thanks guys...

As im using this Vito more for work and not for play,i need it to carry as much weight as possible so im wasnt thinking about lowering it????

I just want it to look abit better than it is at the moment???
So i was thinking of only getting 15" or 16"...I have 15" steels on at the mo with brand new boots on all round???

What do you think should i get some 15" Alloys that my tyres will go on them or get some 16" with new boots or 17"?????
The Alloys i was thinking about starting with are a set of ML Alloys..
Or these..£326

these..£356


Thanks again for your help...Benz Bling love the van...
 

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oaksy said:
Thanks guys...

As im using this Vito more for work and not for play,i need it to carry as much weight as possible so im wasnt thinking about lowering it????

I just want it to look abit better than it is at the moment???
So i was thinking of only getting 15" or 16"...I have 15" steels on at the mo with brand new boots on all round???

What do you think should i get some 15" Alloys that my tyres will go on them or get some 16" with new boots or 17"?????
The Alloys i was thinking about starting with are a set of ML Alloys..
Or these..£326

these..£356


Thanks again for your help...Benz Bling love the van...
Hey Oaksy,

No probs mate! Glad to help, thanks for your comments about my motor.

If you've just had new tyres I would just go for a set of 15", you'll be able to use the same tyres then and the gap between the tyres and the arch will remain the same. If you go for 17" alloys the gap between the arch and the tyres does increase slightly and it looks a bit daft (mine did until I lowered it). If you don't fancy lowering it stick to 15" or go for 16" like the V-Class.

Another website you can use is:
Performance Alloys.com - Alloy Wheels & Tyres From The Experts ! Car Alloy Wheels, Replica Wheels, Cheap Alloy Wheels

Benz Bling
 

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Sorry to be boring.


95% of the wheels aimed at the car market do not have an adequate strength rating for the Vito. This includes wheels offered by retailers as being a fitment for the Vito, they make this assessment purely on physical dimensions. I spent hours looking into this as part of an insurance assessment and spoke to many experts and manufacturers.

No-one ever wants to hear about this, but it's true. Wheels should match the axle rating of the vehicle. The Vito is 1550Kg, or 775Kg per wheel. Everything you see in Halfords tops out at 400 - 600Kg per wheel.

That's a difference of 375Kg per corner, or put another way, 4 adults extra per corner. Weaker wheels won't bend or show their weaknesses so they could be fine for thousands of miles. Aluminium Alloy doesn't work that way - what happens is that stress fractures appear over time, and one day you hit a pot hole and the wheel ribs could fracture and rip the rim off the hub.

My point is - don't trust the retailer or the manufacturer - even their catalogues. Commonly heard question from wheel retailers and even manufacturers "Will you be loading the van fully? If not these wheels will be OK".
Rondell and even OZ asked this question. This however is complete bollocks as insurance companies will never buy this.
If the wheel isn't stamped with its weight rating it ain't rated. EVEN if it says TUV approved. :)

Same applies to tyres.

No matter what your tyre fitter says, speed rating has little to do with weight capability. Simply put, the speed rating denotes the tyre's ability to retain its integrity when faced with centrifugal forces acting outward as the tyre spins. Choosing a tyre capable of travel at 170mph for a vehicle with a top speed of 120mph does not automatically mean it is extra safe for a Vito. That is only one part of the story.

The load index is the one to be interested in. This denotes the tyre's capability to withstand downward force.

Many low profile tyres such as the Toyos and Fuldas have a load rating of 96Y.
This means they are suitable for 186mph. Wow! But, the "96" part means they have a load index of just 710Kg, 90Kg short of the Vito's needs. That's down by a whole extra full grown man on each tyre! 4 adult passengers is a hell of a lot to be out by.

The stock tyre has a load index of 101, or 825Kg. We have chosen 100 rated tyres for our vehicle, or 800Kg. Which still gives a greater than 10% safety margin over the 775kg plate weight.

Also....
Tyre retailers will often describe a tyre's strength in terms of the number of plies in the sidewall. But, it's important to note that no matter how strong the tyre actually is, unless it is stamped with the correct weight rating, it is illegal in many countries, and will invalidate insurance. Number of plies is not a reliable indication. If the tyre is stamped, this is a statement that comes direct from the manufacturer - who is afraid of being sued, and should be considered as far more reliable safety information than the opinion of a retailer.


Tyre diameter is the final thing. When changing alloy diameters, it's matching the outside diameter of the tyre that's important, and manufacturers don't quote these figure in catalogues or on the sidewalls. Most people know that the speedo will be affected if the result is wrong but with modern vehicles there's a more serious concern - the ABS computer will also be affected as it is programmed with the OD of the stock tyres.

Car Bibles : The Wheel and Tyre Bible

Sorry to be the bringer of bad news. Hope it's useful.

These guys have rated alloys:
Mercedes Vito Van 03 Wheels Tyres
 

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I've got 16" ML wheels with 225/55/16 tyres fitted on my vito at the minute, needed longer bolts otherwise they bolt straight on. Got a set of 17"ML wheels being painted at the moment, then they're going on.

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HI BFG
You have made some good points that need to be noted.

My rims are rated at 725kg per rim which is close enough considering it will never be loaded to its gross.

There even come with a tuv certificate which does help or should i say makes you feel a little safer.
There also German :) .have a look
S M C W H E E L S
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Hi BFG,

I am sure most van owners understand that the majority of alloy wheels on the market are not suitable for their vehicles. As for your point about Halfords, if you want to buy alloys go to a proper shop; Halfords is ok if you want a bicycle, polish or a cheap car stereo. But for anything else don't bother! The way I look at things is go to a GOOD REPUTABLE establishment with knowledgeable people and you will be able to find alloy wheels that are correct and safe for you chosen vehicle. For example, when I enquired about a set of Kahn RS-C's for my Vito from Demon Tweeks they e-mailed me saying if they knew that I was going to buy them with the view of fitting them on a van/commercial vehicle, then they would not sell them me. Now that's a proper establishment!

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Are you going to change your dampers when you lower it? I did and it made a massive difference
I wasn't planning on doing but might have to look into it.

Just got to get some decent brakes on it, the standard ones are rubbish.
Too right, utter crap. If anyone knows of an upgrade, let me know!

One other thing, what O.Z wheels do you have? Only the picture doesn't seem to laod up.
Sorry, fixed! The Michaelangeo 10's. I love them.

A rock fell out of the narrow border to our drive the other day. Just clipped the alloys on a sharp corner of Yorkshire grit - I now have MASSIVE curved curb mark in the front and rear rims :crybaby2:
 

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I wasn't planning on doing but might have to look into it.



Too right, utter crap. If anyone knows of an upgrade, let me know!



Sorry, fixed! The Michaelangeo 10's. I love them.

A rock fell out of the narrow border to our drive the other day. Just clipped the alloys on a sharp corner of Yorkshire grit - I now have MASSIVE curved curb mark in the front and rear rims :crybaby2:
Darkside,

Nice rims! I feel for you mate, I'd be howling if mine got damaged. As for the brakes, Tar Ox and Red Dot do uprated discs for the Vito. Midland Performance Centre which is close to where I live recommended a set of 40 grooved Red Dot discs and Mintex pads. If I decide to go for it I'll let you know if they're any good.

T A R - O X :: Advanced Brake Parts

Red Dot - ODB Tuning - Rolling Road - Performance Brakes

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Ugly,

I have a set of those alloys and don't have a set of bolts yet. What size did you need in the end?

Cheers

Adam.
 

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Adam,
can't remember what length the bolts were, i measured the depth of the threads in the hub, added the thickness of the bolt hole of the wheel, then machined to length. The bolts were approx 5 to 8mm longer than std, if my memory serves me right.

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Nice rims! I feel for you mate, I'd be howling if mine got damaged.
I'm slowly getting over it but it hurt. Almost dropped £290 on a new pair, but then decided to live with it. May rub down and lacquer to try and blend the scratch in.


.....Red Dot discs and Mintex pads. If I decide to go for it I'll let you know if they're any good.
Cheers, please do!

Phil (aka Darkside - I came over from VW!)
 

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Ok i have called Van Style..They say they do these wheels in 15" for my Vito...Can you tell me which do you think will look the best???
SR300

SR500

SR800


Do you think 15" will look small or will they look ok?????
 

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I like the bottom ones best - quite like the OZ's.

I've got 17's and am starting to think they look small, and wanting 18's! Go as big as budget allows. Can you not stretch to 17? If a job's worth doing... ;)
 
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