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So, I'm out of town on business and rent a 08 Taurus Limited w/10kmi on it. It had power heated seats, auto climate control, simulated wood, power everything.

I thought after performing some routine suspension maintenance on my S500 w/144kmi, it rode fairly well, smooth and quiet. I have installed new front struts, N2 spheres, LCA bushings, sway bar bushings/links, motor and tranny mounts, steering damper, tire balance w/4 wheel alignment. The Taurus is quite impressive with the ride, it's quiet smooth and the steering and brakes are quite good. I might even say its better than my current ride! I'm quite impressed for a domestic full size car.

97 MBZ S500 vs. 08 Taurus Limited a fair fight?????
 

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Yea, I'd say an $80,000+ car is directly comparable to a $25,000 car.
 

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Gun it in the Taurus and then gun it in your S500.
 

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So, I'm out of town on business and rent a 08 Taurus Limited w/10kmi on it. It had power heated seats, auto climate control, simulated wood, power everything.

I thought after performing some routine suspension maintenance on my S500 w/144kmi, it rode fairly well, smooth and quiet. I have installed new front struts, N2 spheres, LCA bushings, sway bar bushings/links, motor and tranny mounts, steering damper, tire balance w/4 wheel alignment. The Taurus is quite impressive with the ride, it's quiet smooth and the steering and brakes are quite good. I might even say its better than my current ride! I'm quite impressed for a domestic full size car.

97 MBZ S500 vs. 08 Taurus Limited a fair fight?????
Luke, you are heading to the dark side!
 

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Oh, wrong comparison, I own both types of cars-The Taurus-front wheel drive, and why were front wheel drive vehicles designed for? Easy assembly. Front wheel drive vehicles are not great for the DIY mechanic. All front wheel drives have alignment problems because of struts, strut towers or the knuckles, very critical.

Although the Duratec aluminum engine is a nice little engine in all late model Taurus', but is full of blown head gasket issues and low oil pressure issues because of the oil pump shaft strips as the result of the play on the shaft. The old cast-iron Vulcan(generation-one Taurus 1986-1993) engine is bullet proof-will last 300k to 400k, and the engine is used in some industrial applications, but the vehicles in Generation one are under-cooled ie. Transmissions blew up at 80kmiles because of overheating.

Again nothing like a rear-wheel driven vehicle with shocks and yaw sensor like the W140. I think the failure most W140 owners do not realize is the rear-end / rear suspension is a marvel of mechanical engineering(get under the car and look at it-built like no other car in the world). I think this is where a good chunk of the One-Billion of engineering went too, and my old saying goes " I would never buy one of these cars where the rear end has been damaged". This W140 has about 10 to 20 times more parts on that rear-end than most cars on the market.

My company sells the "Jaws of Life" equipment, and that equipment sells for 30,000 USD, but I've been told by a few fire captains and chiefs that if they need to extract you from a Mercedes(where a power saw has to be used). A special blade must be used that is not used with most cars, so these W140s hold mysterious qualities not known to the average person.

In a front-end crash you will never see the hood of any Mercedes up. The helps the absorption of the energy. In 100mph head-on crash you are more likely to survive,

Do not get the Tuarus...

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OK, I'm just going to go down the list in terms of function.

Engine smoothness at idle and cruising: Taurus (smooth), even though I just replaced my motor and tranny mounts last week, still some tiny vibes at idle.

Climate control: S500, my fully functional AC is COLD.

Sound isolation at speed: tie.

Power delivery: S500, no contest 5.0L V8 vs. V6, refined V8 sounds so much better...

Seating comfort: Taurus, even though it has 4 way power, leather is softer and seats are just right for me.

Steering response and feel: Taurus, my S500 feels numb, less communicative.

Brake feel on response: Taurus, has excellent initial bite and progressive feel. My S500 feels a little spongy even after fluid flush. But I wiil have to say my S500 has more braking power.

Door closing/opening feel: S500 is simple SOLID, Taurus drivers door is sagging w/10kmi.

Factory radio: S500 sounds much better, even though Taurus has CD, MP3, aux input, Sirius Sat.

Ride: semi tie, Taurus has great front end compliance but my S500 has much better rear end ride.

Presence/luxury: no need to comment there.

Don't get me wrong, everytime I rent from Hertz, I ALWAYS look forward to flying home and driving my S500 home from the airport. My S500 is the best quality auto I've owned. I respect the amount of effort that went into engineering this car. It is astounding! But, a modern domestic $29,895 car is quite acceptable in terms listed above. I guess a better comparison would be to wait till the Taurus has accumulated equivelant miliage. I know where that would end up!

I just wish Hertz would rent BMW's or other true luxury cars.

Best rental I had so far was a 2006 Infiniti G35 w/15mi on it in Hawaii. I had to tear of the plastic and remove the cardboard mats. But that G35 was sweet. The only thing I didn't like was the engine drone at cruise.

Anyways, I just wanted to throw in my $0.02 subjective pennies...
 

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Old vs. Current quality

I understand the comp. you've made. On occasion I have the opportunity to drive the new Cadillac Escalade and find it quite nice in all respects.

However, some of us can just recall when American automobiles were really well made. I mean, ten years on they were still solid and reliable not to mention 20 years on. That is just not the case any longer. They are built and priced to last about five years and be replaced. Meant to keep the Big 3 going...but even that isn't working any longer. I know a silly fellow who loves Lincolns. He drives a 2000 Lincoln LS and despite being anal about it, it's pure crap and cheap looking in most regards from the really plastic looking wood grain to the disco dash.

I personally believe the W140 was the last of the truly well built Mercedes Benzes from the era where Mercedes believed in building and selling an automobile you should keep for life if you so choose. More recent models make me question that.

I wonder what kind of condition a 1998 Ford Taurus is in at 140,000 miles. I can't say, but I imagine not as strong as a 1998 S-500. Yes, we put time and effort into keeping our W140's brilliant, I don't know if there is a forum for Ford Taurus owners who put such time and effort into them.

I am, of course, being subjective, but having lived in the suburbs of Detroit during the middle part of the 1980's one thing is for certain...I don't want one.

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97 MBZ S500 vs. 08 Taurus Limited a fair fight?????
DUDE !!
Dont even go there !!
I work at Ford as a licensed tech, and you dont even want to get me started :eek:

Lets put it this way...
I WILL NEVER BUY A FORD PRODUCT IF MY LIFE DEPENDED ON IT.
 

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Do you really want to buy a car that has been assembled by a company that pays for trans-genders operations as part of thier health benefits? This is what overpriced Ford monies go for. These people dont even know who they are and could care less about their quality of work or quality of product.

Check the thread regarding Ford Focus and Escort having no timing marks

Yes, it is true that Ford pays for transgender operations as part of their health benefits.

With folks like that on the assembly line, with no life anchor and such a warped personal value system - Imagine what kind of attention and quality do you expect them to put into their product?

No wonder the door is already sagging - so are their morals and values.

And - FWD is cheap technology, cheap to manufacture, cheap to assemble; expensive to maintain, and problematic.

If FWD was superior technology, Nascar would be using it, F-1 would be using it, MB would be using it along with Rolls Royce and other high end autos . . . . . but it is not. It is cheap to build and it simply shifts costs to the consumer.
 

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Read Jackie Stewart's autobiography for a Ford insight.
 

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Minds are like parachutes-they only work when open!

EChandler-I don't think that your closed minded reasoning has anything to do with quality. MB has offered same sex partner benefits for a while and advertises in magazines that have an LGBT reading audience as does Volvo, Range Rover, ETC. You would be hard pressed to find a car company in Europe (short of Russia, Poland, etc.) that does NOT offer the benefits that you seem to despise. The EU has been very progressive in issues of this kind. Please keep your postings about the car unless you want to post to off topic
 

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values are what we are talking about here

EChandler-I don't think that your closed minded reasoning has anything to do with quality. MB has offered same sex partner benefits for a while and advertises in magazines that have an LGBT reading audience as does Volvo, Range Rover, ETC. You would be hard pressed to find a car company in Europe (short of Russia, Poland, etc.) that does NOT offer the benefits that you seem to despise. The EU has been very progressive in issues of this kind. Please keep your postings about the car unless you want to post to off topic
Hey Nimrod - this is exactly what we are discussing here - value. Value starts with the individual and a group of individuals that comprise the organization.

Value is doing what is right and wrong. Value is doing your job with a sense of excellence whether you are on the assembly line or establishing corporate policy

Value gets reflected in the products produced and products that are bought.

I am simply saying that without a moral compass that is grounded in truth the assembly worker does not know right from wrong; hey - a little less locktite here and a loose bolt there - what does it matter; and who cares.

The engineer that says - hey - no timing marks - that is OK - who cares, it is cheaper without them - and besides I can not discuss this anymore, I need to rush off to my sex change operation - I will be a different person tomorrow and maybe I can make better decisions then.

The board member that says - yeah well take corp profits and subsidize our workers desire to change their sex - sounds like a good idea and a great way to spend money rather than improve a product - and Ford needs alot of improvement

No moral compass directly affects the products you buy

BTW - Volvo is Ford - or at least was

Empires crumble because of no moral compass and a population that did only what they felt was right and did not care if they were wrong.


OH - and before I forget: It is not me that despises the LGBT choices; a greater authority than me despises it. I did not make the rules
 

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Maybe Ford is under a lot of pressure for the GLBT thing and could theoretically get sued up the wazoo for descrimination if they don't follow the trend? Not that I'm defending them or anything, I'm a GM/Daimler-Benz man at heart.
 

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97 MBZ S500 vs. 08 Taurus Limited a fair fight?????


That's about the only way you can compare the 2 cars: an 11 year old car versus a brand new car...lol

You certainly couldn't compare a 97 Taurus to a 97 S500, and I'll take a wild guess and say comparing a new Taurus to a new Mercedes may not be a fair fight either...lol
 

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Ok, before anyone else gets their panties in a twist, what was I thinking? Just trying to make due with the mess and stress out of town biznuz:crybaby2:

Just went on a Memorial Day weekend end trip to a 1600 Acre, stocked 11 pond B&B with some good fishing a couple hours away and the 11yr. old MBZ S500 RULES!

The Ford was nice for a rental and should live it's remaining short life that way. I apologize for even stirring the pot...:p
 

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Is it that bad? WoW
 
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