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Hello ThomasJ,

Based on your VIN with the digits "126" immediately following the WDB states that your car is a European model and NOT AMERICANIZED with all the horsepower robbing smog crapware that we have to subscribe to in the states. MB brochures state 238HP for the US spec. engine and 300HP for the Euro version, however, only a dyno test can reveal your particular situation. Any after market engine modifications will, no doubt, change the manufacturer's stated specs.

Others will chime in here and offer more info......I hope this helps a tad!

Gary
 

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Hi guys

Thanks for your answers...

I know it's a EURO ;o) ...but there are some that have 300 HP, some that have 279 HP, and some that have 242 HP - the output is also dependable on if the car has a CAT or not - and I actually don't know...

All I know is, that it is absolutely stock! So I'm sure it hasn't been equiped with a CAT after leaving the factory (if it wasn't born with a CAT).

I was just wondering if there was some way to find out exactly what kind this one is...?
 

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Hi Hi T.J. & Gary,

I saw the 500 SEC EURO listed and went with that info.... to about 5 websites & looking it up on the MB CDs I've got, for more perspective prior to my post. There's (i think) almost TOO much info available, not all correct.

I've just run the VIN.

Hope that helps. MBL

[:D] I too, wish mine had 300hp. Without the 'cats'.. dare I say it?... His car does! Eddie, How about it?
 

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Yeah, I ran the VIN there also - and I'm thinking; if it had a CAT, wouldn't it be listed under "OPTIONS"?

Well, let's asume it doesn't have a CAT (originally sold in Denmark - typically the cars here didn't have CAT's untill late 80s/early 90s); that leaves 2 versions: 279 HP or 300 HP... and I still can't figure out how to tell the two apart??

A funny thing: the car is now dark grey/black, but the VIN-site says it originally was pajett red...[:D] oh, and by the way; it's my brothers car![8D]
 

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Thomas J,

That explains it! Since it is your brother's car it is automatically reduced by 32HP. On the other hand had it been your BROTHER-IN-LAW, the HP would have been the reciprocal.

Elementary, my dear Watson!

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Question: as to 279HP verses 300HP on the W126 560 series.

Both my 1988 560 Euro SEC and 560 Euro SEL have the engine # 117968, these engine #s have no reference as to the actual HP. To have 300HP engine the code on delivery would have to include option # 822 (output increase with 560SEL/SEC). As I understand my 2 babies are 1. 1988 Euro SEC 560 5.5 Engine #117968 rated at 238HP with a cat. and 2. my Euro SEL 560 5.6 Engine with cat rated at 279HP. To prove this information run the VIN# WDB1260451A352090 this is a 300HP engine and still has the same engine #117968.

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MBGary - 4/13/2005 1:53 AM

Question: as to 279HP verses 300HP on the W126 560 series.

Both my 1988 560 Euro SEC and 560 Euro SEL have the engine # 117968, these engine #s have no reference as to the actual HP. To have 300HP engine the code on delivery would have to include option # 822 (output increase with 560SEL/SEC). As I understand my 2 babies are 1. 1988 Euro SEC 560 5.5 Engine #117968 rated at 238HP with a cat. and 2. my Euro SEL 560 5.6 Engine with cat rated at 279HP. To prove this information run the VIN# WDB1260451A352090 this is a 300HP engine and still has the same engine #117968.

MBGary
#822!! I haven't heard about that code before, but I just ran the VIN you suggested, and it looks like the answer! [:)]

... so am I right when assuming, that my brothers 560 then must be a 279 HP version?? I sure looks like it...
 

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THOMAS,

LOOK AT YOUR MANIFOLD, IF YOU HAVE 2 PIPES COMMING DOWN ON EACH SIDE, I WILL THINK YOU HAVE THE 300 HP
LOOK AT OPTION ECE. AS FAR ASI HAVE SEEN ALL ECE CARS ARE 300 HP
 

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Okay - I'll have to check the thing with the two pipes on each side... regarding the ECE option; the only that mentions ECE is #630 ECE warning triangle... that's probably not what you mean??[:D]
 

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NO BUT ECE MODELS ARE W/O CATS & HAS THE DOW PIPES, COULD NOT GET THE MANIFOLD ON TO THIS PAGE[V]
I HAVE ORDERED A SET FOR MY CAR TO TEST THE PERFORMANS EFFECT. I WILL POST IT W/ DYNO TESTS WHEN READY
 

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EURO 560

the catalyst 560 from 86 till september 87 has 242 hp
the catalyst 560 from september 87 till end has 279hp

ECE(non catalyst)version from 86till end has 299hp
 
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