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Im looking at a really nice 380SE european issue.....140k and has minimal rust. Seems fully loaded when I ran the VIN on the .ru site. Right now, I have a 300D so im pretty familiar with the workings of these vehicles. Should I run with it?

VIN WDB12603212005505
Model 380 SE
Chassis 12603212005505
Engine 116961 12 005695
Transmission 02 029052
Order 0 7 247 01904
Approx. year not defined
Lights BOSCH
Cab 05022
Dealer Reutlingen branch (247)
Interior Unknown code (936)
Paint
881 thistle green metallic (с 01.01.1979 по 31.12.1986, с 1994)
Options
256 rear axle with limited-slip differential (с 01.11.1965 по 30.11.1991)
404 orthopaedic front seat backrest (multiple contour backrest in model 140), left (с 01.04.1970 по 31.12.1995)
left front seat with multiple contour backrest (с 01.01.1996)
seat bench and mb-tex internal roof upholstery (с 01.01.1962 по 30.11.1963)
430 headrests in the rear (с 01.01.1977)
safety belts, front and rear (с 01.01.1964 по 31.05.1973)
440 bumpers with guards, front and rear (с 01.10.1970 по 30.04.1974)
bumper with horn and rubber buffer front and rear (с 01.03.1964 по 30.09.1970)
tempomat (cruise control) (с 01.09.1975)
466 central locking system (с 01.04.1970 по 31.10.1993)
461 + 464 (с 01.10.1966 по 31.12.1966)
462 + 463 (с 01.07.1968 по 31.08.1969)
470 anti-lock braking system (abs) (с 01.06.1978 по 31.10.1993)
special export version 3 (с 01.12.1966 по 28.02.1968)
fan clutch (с 01.04.1970 по 30.11.1976)
510 Becker radio Mexico (Olympia, with stereo cassette) (с 01.10.1969 по 30.09.1973)
Becker radio Mexico cassette full stereo, electronic, Kurier LW/MW/SW/USW (с 01.09.1979 по 30.11.1990)
Becker radio Monte Carlo (с 01.02.1964 по 30.06.1969)
Becker radio Monza cassette stereo LW/MW/USW (с 01.11.1974 по 31.01.1979)
radio MB Exquisit with traffic news decoder (VK), with RDS (Becker) (с 01.07.1992)
531 automatic antenna (с 01.01.1963)
551 anti-theft warning system (с 01.11.1978 по 31.03.1998)
anti-theft/anti-break-in warning system with anti-towing system (с 01.04.1998)
steering wheel, ivory-colored (с 01.01.1963 по 31.05.1973)
570 folding armrest front w202/210 stowage box front with armrest (с 01.04.1970)
front folding armrest w202 - housing at front with armrest
581 Thermoking air conditioner (с 01.04.1970 по 31.12.1972)
automatic climate control (с 01.01.1977)
590 heat-insulating glass, all-around, heated rear window pane (laminated glass), Germany
heat-insulating glass, windshield (с 01.01.1967 по 31.01.1971)
green heat-insulating glass all round, heated rear window, laminated safety glass - Germany (с 01.01.1972)
600 headlamp wiper/washer (с 01.08.1971)
trim strips on hardtop (с 01.04.1963 по 31.07.1971)
640 aluminium disc wheels with radial-ply tires (с 01.10.1969 по 31.12.1989)
tires with tube (с 01.01.1963 по 31.08.1965)
15-hole light alloy rims (с 01.01.1990)
673 high-capacity battery (с 01.01.1964)
682 fire extinguisher (с 01.04.1970)
 

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The 380 is a great car provided it was well maintained with rrecords. Also, what are they asking for it?
 

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I think if you do a search on this forum, you'll find many concerns about that engine. (lack of power, single row timing chain, etc.) Do a search.

Regards,

Matt
 

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You have to check the timing chain and rails. The original version had a single row chain and was upgraded to double chain. Later version came with the double chain.
 

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I thought the euro's all had the dual row chain? If it's a 1985, even if the US ones have the double row (I didn't see the year listed anywhere though). Looks like it has some desireable options. If you don't mind the power (an unadulterated euro 380 isn't bad for power, 207hp iirc) and its in good shape and the price is right, I'd move on it.
 

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I believe it is correct the Euro cars had the double row chain but that doesn’t matter.

There is nothing wrong with the single row chain except it needs replacement a little sooner then the double. Either chain can cause engine damage if not replaced timely. And the issue is not the chain but the plastic guides that fail, it’s very, very rare for an M116/117 to have the actual chain link come loose. The damage is caused by the guide failing and the chain slipping.

The Euro engine is also going to be stronger, so there should be no concern about lack of power. The thistle green metallic exterior sounds like a perfect EuroBenz – have a ppi done and if it passes buy it by all means.
 

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jdc1244 said:
And the issue is not the chain but the plastic guides that fail, it’s very, very rare for an M116/117 to have the actual chain link come loose. The damage is caused by the guide failing and the chain slipping.
Not true. The single-row chains are known to break. They need to be replaced every 60k. True when either breaks its a bad day, but the double row gives you some warning in my experience.
 

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marlinspike said:
I thought the euro's all had the dual row chain? If it's a 1985, even if the US ones have the double row (I didn't see the year listed anywhere though). Looks like it has some desireable options. If you don't mind the power (an unadulterated euro 380 isn't bad for power, 207hp iirc) and its in good shape and the price is right, I'd move on it.
nope, my 380 se is a single timing chain, checked it with the dentist mirror trick. (i can hear it whipping the valve covers at start up....)

powerwise, it's OK... if you don't come to cali and have your exhaust system molested that is. (soon to be running without a cat... until smog comes around again!)

off the line, the 380 se isn't the fastest, but it's got pretty decent power in the 3-5k rpm range. if you want something with power, go for a 500 or 560. (euro!!)
 

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ok--I think I may go for it

I cooked up a deal with the owner, Since hes removing the cars from the lot I offered to work for him, to clean the lot up once all the cars were out, and as payment, I asked for the 380. He has a few gems in there, a 220SE coupe, a 280SEL 4.5, a 450SEL 6.9 thats equipped with bulletproof windows last owner was the Shah of Iran, a 450SE, a few Jags, and 3 Maserati Quattroporte's, 2 old Rolls and a few Jensens (which Ive never herd of before). I took a few pics with my cell phone I included them in the attachments, Let me know if theres anything else I should look for with this car.

Thanks- Matt
 

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looks a bit rough... i like the euro bumpers though.

i think the back right lower panel is missing... at least that's waht it looks like.

oh yea, get rid of the chrome wheel arches!
 

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Yes, the back is a bit rough....its evident that some jackass tried removing the star theres a big gouge at the top of the star and the bumper is shot...The missing panel on the side is in the trunk...but otherwise this car would probably be a daily driver instead of the 300D (since I got hit, Ive gotten nervous having it out) As for looks, im not worried at all Ill slowly do the body work up nicely and if the velor doesnt work out, i will swap in a set of seats from a 280SE
 
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