300CE with OM606 turbo
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A 606t is originally an ECU managed drive-by-wire engine that works in conjunction with a similarly managed 722.6 transmission. So, you need to determine whether you're carrying over all those electronics, or whether you're going mechanical, which then requires lots of conversion parts from a 603t car, which is what I'm doing. Complicating things for you is that you're starting with gas powered car, unlike me. It's doable, but it takes hours of commitment to poring over electrical diagrams and such. The engine itself should fit right in, though I'm not sure about the engine mount brackets on the 103 being compatible with the 606
Maybe it is theoretically doable, but with digitally controlled engines, forgetting one small computer module is making whole job an ornament.
Several members reported simple engine replacement with the same engine from other car failing because they overlooked something.
Also some engine computers are married with transmission computers and with no data available the work is in the dark.
Suppose all car computers are reprogrammable, but good luck finding US mechanic who knows that stuff and honest enough to not take $150/hr for his time he spend learning the trade.
The only successful report come from UK member.
Several members reported simple engine replacement with the same engine from other car failing because they overlooked something.
Also some engine computers are married with transmission computers and with no data available the work is in the dark.
Suppose all car computers are reprogrammable, but good luck finding US mechanic who knows that stuff and honest enough to not take $150/hr for his time he spend learning the trade.
The only successful report come from UK member.
I have not hear about those, but even so, you can buy higher mileage 1998-99 diesel for $5000- 8000.
So even if you get the engine for free, how much the W124 is going to be worth with it?
Digital engine converted to mechanical controls >>> that should make good headline on CL
i live in europe i have no problem getting parts, we have alot w124/w210 diesel taxis.
I thinked using old 4speed automatic gearbox with om606. 1995 w124 was non turbo om606 engines. Is non turbo om606 engine parts weaker than turbo om606 parts?
I thinked using old 4speed automatic gearbox with om606. 1995 w124 was non turbo om606 engines. Is non turbo om606 engine parts weaker than turbo om606 parts?
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The NA 606 is a very robust design, complete with piston squirters, but the turbo engines have stronger pistons and exhaust valves. The NA 606 engines also use an inferior 722.4 transmission. You want the stronger 722.3 transmission from a 603 turbo
cheapest one costs in my country 1800 eurosI have not hear about those, but even so, you can buy higher mileage 1998-99 diesel for $5000- 8000.
So even if you get the engine for free, how much the W124 is going to be worth with it?
Digital engine converted to mechanical controls >>> that should make good headline on CL
Mercedes-Benz E 300 TD 3.0 TD R6 130kW - auto24.ee 1800€
Mercedes-Benz E 300 3.0 130kW - auto24.ee 2500€
Mercedes-Benz E 300 3.0 130kW - auto24.ee 2700€
... and so on
Also keep in mind that non-turbo OM606 engine do not have the cooling ducts in the pistons while the turbo engines do.
This is a critical component for reliable operation due to the additional heat stress under turbo boost.
Since you live in Europe, where diesels are plentiful, why not just save up and get the diesel you want instead of trying to marry up a untested combination???
This is a critical component for reliable operation due to the additional heat stress under turbo boost.
Since you live in Europe, where diesels are plentiful, why not just save up and get the diesel you want instead of trying to marry up a untested combination???
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There are dozens of examples of 201 and 124 cars in Europe with 605/6 turbo engine installations. It's just a matter of how best to accomplish this if you're set on the chassis. I'm currently doing an all mechanical installation right now, but in the future I'd like to carry over the complete electronic engine and transmission setup from a 210.
sbaert: But i want coupe diesel and not sedan or station wagon :crybaby2:
Mersuforum.net • katso viestiketjua - W124 300ce Tekniikanvaihto (OM606) TARINAN LOPPU. here is one in finland m103 swap om606 turbo coupe, but i dont understand finland language and there is more coupes w124 with om606.
Mersuforum.net • katso viestiketjua - W124 300ce Tekniikanvaihto (OM606) TARINAN LOPPU. here is one in finland m103 swap om606 turbo coupe, but i dont understand finland language and there is more coupes w124 with om606.
What about getting a diesel powered CLK (W208 or W209) or a W203/W204 coupe?
All those are available in Europe with turbodiesels. The reason you couldn't buy a diesel powered coupe W124 new is because back then diesels weren't as powerful or sporty due to indirect injection. In other words, sportiness (2 door) and economy (diesel) do not mix and MB never saw a viable market for such a combination.
Diesels became more desirable from a performance standpoint when CDI technology was introduced.
Unless you have the resources, knowledge, patience and most importantly funds for a transplant, you will likely end up giving up on the project before it is done.
All those are available in Europe with turbodiesels. The reason you couldn't buy a diesel powered coupe W124 new is because back then diesels weren't as powerful or sporty due to indirect injection. In other words, sportiness (2 door) and economy (diesel) do not mix and MB never saw a viable market for such a combination.
Diesels became more desirable from a performance standpoint when CDI technology was introduced.
Unless you have the resources, knowledge, patience and most importantly funds for a transplant, you will likely end up giving up on the project before it is done.
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US only, yes.
OM606 Turbo has a electronically controlled injection pump. OM603 turbo has mechanical injection pump. And: OM603 pump fits OM606. All you need is an OM606 & OM603 injection pump
And then things get realy easy I'm too tempted by a W124 300CD-T. And as soon as I get a 300D Turbo into my fingers that's cheap - I'll do it.
But I like the 2V engine better, no 606 for me please...why not 4v engine? They are so cheap now you can get 500-600€ and nobody repair these engines anymore, they buy new used engine, its cheaper. 2V diesel engine benefit is only easier rebuilding, put even those 2v engies nobody build if it broke.
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