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2000 w220 red EC indicator on AAC pushbutton unit

2.5K views 10 replies 4 participants last post by  Kraut56  
#1 ·
Hello experts. I have the dreaded persistent red EC light on the AAC (CCS?) / Climate controls.
To correct / diagnose this issue I have:
a) Read the codes from the CCS : "KLA A 1000" & "KLA V 1241"
a) Downloaded and printed the RiceBubble's awesome guide to W220 CCS:

W220 S-Class Automatic Climate Control (ACC) Hidden Service Menus.pdf

-Great work!!

b) Checked fuses (visually only, not electrically) though I don't see one specifically labeled AC, AAC ,CCS, etc
c) Checked refrigerant pressure (about ~100psi hi & lo, I assume because the compressor has not run for a while the pressure tends to equalize across it?
d) From the hidden AAC menu set NR13, "A/C Komp {Compressor} Stell {Capacity}" (clutch pulse width?) to 100% and scoped the single wire to the compressor clutch - no pulse, ~125mv dc.
e) bypassed the low coolant sensor (I think, 2 wire connector on top of drier) and repeated d), same results...

My question is:
Does the AAC Pushbutton Unit (indicated as faulty by the "1000" code) generate the PWM signal to drive the compressor clutch, and could it actually be at fault?

any help / corrections in understanding is greatly appreciated!
 
#3 ·
The always-on red light indicates that the computer has turned the compressor off because of a problem. It might be low refrigerant, or might be some other problem. In my case, I think that the compressor momentarily seized, destroying the serpentine belt and top idler pulley...

You might be able to query the HVAC diagnostic system on the Command screen - if not, you will the STAR/DAS system to determine the problem.
 
#4 ·
Hi Wally. Sorry for the confusion, the steps a) - e) are things I've already done and their results. I checked the refrigerant - c) above, and AFAIK you can't add refrigerant when the low side is ~90 PSI, so I need to get the compressor turning to add refrigerant - Do any techs know wether the AAC pushbutton unit actually controls the compressor clutch? As you can see the first code I read, "KLA A 1000" means : "AAC Pushbutton Unit (N22) is defective" the 2nd code, "KLA V 1241" means low refrigerant, but 90psi doesn't seem low enough (does it?) to cause the code unless the sensor is on the high side. I guess I'll consult the AAC schematics...
 
#5 · (Edited)
90 psi with the compressor NOT running is low (when running will go to 45 - 80 psi on the suction side)

You need to reset the control with DAS in order to charge it, or discharge it and then liquid fill with correct amount. Then you still have to reset, as the control has gone into fail-safe to protect the compressor.

BTW: a lot of W220 don't have a compressor clutch, so regular shops can't do the reset.

Good luck!
 
#6 ·
Thanks for the reply. I don't currently have DAS, so how exactly does one "discharge it an then liquid fill with correct amount?" Which control am I trying to rest with DAS? I take it the DAS reset is not the same as the CCS hidden menu code clear / reset technique? (toggling each auto button when in the REST + record menu)?

Thanks
 
#7 ·
The pressure in a non-running (static) system containing both liquid and vapor (the usual condition) depends only upon the system temperature. In a system containing refrigerant R-134a, a pressure of 90 psig indicates a system temp of 82 deg F.

That is all that you can conclude from the static pressure.
 
#8 ·
Makes perfect sense, thanks for that. I think I understand about the lack of compressor clutch being significant... You mean that a typical A/C shop can't just arbitrarily engage (energize) the clutch to get things moving again to charge the system? So is the compressor just always engaged and "throttled" by a pwm controlled (duty cycled) bypass valve?