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I finally found a G Wagon board. All the other ones I found Have maybe 1 post a month. This one is full of good info.

I have owned a 2002 G500 for over 3 years. It goes off roading(especially the dunes) and goes out to dinner in the city. I have 18inch with Blizzacks for the winter, and 22 inch Chromies for the summer. It is Silver with Black interior. I don't have a picture of it.. but it has 80k miles and minimul down time(dealer visits). I love it. Only problem is... my chick drives it and kind of beats it up. But I feel its so safe for her and my daughter......I can't take it away..... so I decided to buy one for myself. Its a 2003 G55. Im keeping it stock...except the plan of blacking out all the grill guards(already did the emblems) and maybe switching the mufflers to some magnaflows or something.. but leaving the stock AMG tips. No 22's on this one. Here are a couple pics of my new truck. I bought it with 67k on the clock. There is very little "chippage" on the hinges(only 2 of them), and of course side mirrors need to be re-painted on the base.... but its a G. Those things are expected.:)

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Great looking G55 AMG !

m5er,

That is a great looking G55 AMG !!

I use to own a 1986 280GE that I modified the exterior to look similar to a G55 AMG and I sold it in March 2007 to a Ira Sherman a member here on Benzworld G-class forum.

Below I have posted photos of my former 1986 280GE before and after photos of my modification.

I now only own 3 Gwagens, a 1997 G320 Cabrio with powertop, 1995 G320 LWB and a 1993 Brabus G300GE 3.6liter.

Welcome to the Benzworld G-class forum!

Respectfully,

James Van Thach
 

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I see your silver g500 parked in the garage (through the 55s windows) :) Just curious, how does offroading in 22's work for ya?
 

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Its not really that bad. The 22's work really good at the dunes. I just drop the tire pressure down to around 10-12psi.... and off I go. I have had the G500 WOT for a solid hour in the middle of summer with no issues of overheating. Definatly a fun truck.
 

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May I ask how much did you pay for your G55? I am in the market for a G500....Great looking car, nice color.

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If you are thinking of hacking up the AMG exhaust sell me the OEM stuff! Truthfully, this is a bad move. AMG and even the normal G500 exhaust is already a top-of-the-line system. You won't realize any gains other than a change in tone. It is more likely you will hurt performance, emissions, or longevity. Making an AMG V8 sound like an American small block is just wrong.
 

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Eagle eyes !

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I see your silver g500 parked in the garage (through the 55s windows) :) Just curious, how does offroading in 22's work for ya?
spots350sl,

You really have a good eye for detail!

I had to scroll up and look again to see this silver G-class you were talking about.

I guess my eyes are not good as they us to be.

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If you are thinking of hacking up the AMG exhaust sell me the OEM stuff! Truthfully, this is a bad move. AMG and even the normal G500 exhaust is already a top-of-the-line system. You won't realize any gains other than a change in tone. It is more likely you will hurt performance, emissions, or longevity. Making an AMG V8 sound like an American small block is just wrong.
Well... I don't know if I would call it "hacking" up the exaust. More like a cut and paste. Just the mufflers are going to get replaced. I am looking for a little more grunt in the tone.
I paid 48k including the Mi 6% sales tax. I believe I got a SMOKIN deal.:cool:
 

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Aerodynamics of a washing machine, yet somehow it still looks fast. 55's are badass. Nice truck dude.......I'm jealous. Check out P3, lots of good info there too. PointedThree Forums Forums
 

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How about a warranty?

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Well... I don't know if I would call it "hacking" up the exaust. More like a cut and paste. Just the mufflers are going to get replaced. I am looking for a little more grunt in the tone.
I paid 48k including the Mi 6% sales tax. I believe I got a SMOKIN deal.:cool:
m5er,

How about a warranty and how much is left on it or do you have plans to purchase an exteded warranty if you currently do not have a warranty?

I don't believe you got a "SMOKIN deal" as lets wait a year to see how the G55 handles and you have to consider, it is a "USED" vehicle.

If you are planning on replacing the mufflers which it may "VOID" any warranty that exist on the it and hinder the performance, but who knows maybe the Engineers at Mercedes Benz AMG do not know anything about "grunt in the tone" but they sure know about "Performance" as they are the racing team and tuning division of Mercedes-Benz.

Mercedes-AMG: Mercedes-AMG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am speaking from experience as I own a 1993 Brabus G300GE 3.6liter, and I would not even consider conducting any mechanical modifications unless it was done by a official technician of Brabus.

I as well own a 1997 G320 Cabrio with powertop and 1995 G320 LWB and still would not consider conducting any mechanical modifications as well unless it was with a official technician of Brabus, Mercedes-AMG, Kleemann, Carlsson, Lorinser or RENNtech.

Brabus: Brabus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kleemann: Kleemann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Carlsson: Carlsson (car company) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lorinser: Lorinser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

RENNtech: RENNtech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In closing, with the money you saved on your G55 AMG ("I paid 48k including the Mi 6% sales tax. I believe I got a SMOKIN deal.") you should be able to definitely contact the above Mercedez-Benz performance specialists and pick who you would like to modify your G55 AMG.

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Well... I don't know if I would call it "hacking" up the exaust. More like a cut and paste. Just the mufflers are going to get replaced. I am looking for a little more grunt in the tone.
I paid 48k including the Mi 6% sales tax. I believe I got a SMOKIN deal.:cool:
Not a smokin deal, but not too terrible either. You will not get more grunt - maybe a tone change at best. Hardly worth it for the risk of worse performance and emissions problems. AMG knows what they are doing. Magnaflow makes their money selling kits for American small blocks and Japanese "ricer" cars. They aren't going to help an AMG or a M powered German car.
 

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Your talking about "hindering performance".... whatever dude.
I own 2 performance shops.
Also... if you want to bring up the "M" division of BMW... I own a E39 M5.... and have replaced a bunch of things including the mufflers...and my performance has gone from 320rwhp up to 661 rwhp. So please don't try and lecture me about "hindering" performance. These cars and trucks come from you beloved AMG and M factories with gobs of hidden power. Emissions, gas mileage...all that has hidden power potentials.
Yes my truck is certified up to 100k miles or untill Feb 2008. :cool:

It was a smokin deal to me....Please show me a 2003 designo G55 with 67k miles all the brush guards, park distance..... for less than 48k. If you can show me more than 5...then I will admit Its not such a smokin deal.

Anyway....thanks for the warm welcome. ;)
 

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who's mufflers have "more grunt in the tone" ?

m5er said:
Your talking about "hindering performance".... whatever dude.
I own 2 performance shops.
Also... if you want to bring up the "M" division of BMW... I own a E39 M5.... and have replaced a bunch of things including the mufflers...and my performance has gone from 320rwhp up to 661 rwhp. So please don't try and lecture me about "hindering" performance. These cars and trucks come from you beloved AMG and M factories with gobs of hidden power. Emissions, gas mileage...all that has hidden power potentials.
Yes my truck is certified up to 100k miles or untill Feb 2008. :cool:

It was a smokin deal to me....Please show me a 2003 designo G55 with 67k miles all the brush guards, park distance..... for less than 48k. If you can show me more than 5...then I will admit Its not such a smokin deal.

Anyway....thanks for the warm welcome. ;)

m5r,

What is the name of your 2 performance Shops?

I am an owner along with two partners Harold Case and Francis Bowman of a performance shop located in Phenix City, Alabama called European Auto Exchange (EAE). Our Bussiness is also Veteran owned, as myself being an Iraq War Veteran and Harold Case is a Vietnam War Veteran.

Harold Case and Francis Bowman have over 30 years of experiance as technicians working on Mercedes-Benz, BWM, Porsche, Audi, Maserati, and other prestige vehicles.

I was not lecturing you only giving you my opinion, as I own a high performace vehicle, a 1993 Mercedes-Benz Brabus G-class G300GE 3.6liter.

I am currently serving here in Iraq and have been here since April 2006 becuase I volunteered to come to Iraq.

My year deployment was suppose to end in March 2006, but I chose to extend here in Iraq and stay until April 2008.

Up Close: Listening to the Captain: Up Close: Listening to the Captain - BN Magazine

I suggest when I return back to the United States in April 2008, we can find a public or private track and test who's mufflers have "more grunt in the tone" and can keep up on the track. My Brabus muffler on my Brabus G-class G300GE 3.6liter or your modified aftermarker muffler on your G55 AMG.

Do you accept the challenge?


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My shops are allspeedperformance.com and Modified FX(no website yet.)
Maybe you are missunderstanding. Not that you should really care...... but changing out the muffler to get a deeper and louder "tone" isn't going to hurt the car.... or the warranty.
Maybe your stuff is the best.... or your the "king of the ship" but I really don't care how many Benz's you've worked on. I make them faster.....you repair them.

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M5er,

You need to relax a bit. This is a friendly forum.

I figured you had a M5 based on your userid - which is why I brought it up. Take the list of mods you did to your M5 and go try to find those items for a Mercedes and/or AMG engine. You won't find much. RennTech, AMG, Brabus, and Kleeman are about the only shops that make good Mercedes upgrades and it is major cost stuff. Most sell either the AMG exhaust or a damn near identical copy of it. You already have the AMG engine and exhaust, about all you can do is add the blower or one of the "stage" packages one of the companies mentioned provides. The blower will probably cost $10K from one of these. They will tell you not to change the exhaust. (There is a place called HPS that sells a blower for about 1/2 - I suggest you do some research 1st. Many unhappy customers. ) The "chip" solutions are a waste of money also. Look at the big price for the marginal HP gain.

I have friends with M3s and M5s. I once considered an M5 and read all I could on the M5Power forum. It seems pretty common that the "tuned" M3 and M5 engines have a shortened lifespan. I don't know if you care about resale (I don't) but a pristine stock M3 or M5 looks to be a better buy than a tuned version. It looks like a lot of the posters sell their parts separate from the car when they go to sell it. The stock examples sell quicker.

Like I said earlier, I doubt you'll be able to find many improvements for your AMG G-wagon. Many of the things that are common on other cars are unavailable or are worse when attempted on a Mercedes. The low-cost DIY tuner market just doesn't exist, largely b/c these engines come from the factory tuned to a very high level.

Regarding your 2003 price -
- One just sold in Chicago w/ 27K miles right around $50K.
- There is one on the internet now w/ 62K miles at a Florida MB dealer for $50,480.
- There is another @ 40K miles at a dealer in Huntington NY for $49,995.
- Another in Chicago with 43K miles at a non-MB dealer for $49,885
- And for the 5th example requested - Luxury Motors in Chicago (who I would never buy from) has one w/ 57K miles for $47,895.
- A 6th example, also Luxury Motors 40K miles asking $52K.
(True, there are plenty of dealers asking $60K+ - those trucks won't sell to anyone but a moron.)
I used cars.com and autotrader.com to search.

I don't know about you - but I don't pay asking price. I didn't check if each of these was Starmark or Designo - some might be. Designo doesn't really increase the value much, those trucks just sell quicker. Extended warranty is a very nice bonus, especially for your high mileage truck. I'm pretty sure all 2003 G55s had Parktronic, the brushguard, and all the chrome stuff.

My point, a 2003 G55 w/ 67K miles, Designo, and extended warranty is not a steal at $47K, but it isn't a bad price either. You paid a fair price.
 

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Why not just contact Kleemann, Carlsson, Brabus, RENNtech or Lorinser

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My shops are allspeedperformance.com and Modified FX(no website yet.)
Maybe you are missunderstanding. Not that you should really care...... but changing out the muffler to get a deeper and louder "tone" isn't going to hurt the car.... or the warranty.
Maybe your stuff is the best.... or your the "king of the ship" but I really don't care how many Benz's you've worked on. I make them faster.....you repair them.

Later.

m5er,

I guess I was not clear I am not a auto mechanic or auto technician.

Up Close: Listening to the Captain - BN Magazine

Besides serving in the United States Army as a Captain, I am a part owner of a business and my two business partners are auto technicians.

What is the truth is that I am speaking from experience as I own a 1993 G-class Brabus G300GE 3.6liter, and I would not even consider conducting any mechanical modifications unless it was done by a official technician of Brabus.

I as well own a 1997 G320 Cabrio with powertop and 1995 G320 LWB and still would not consider conducting any mechanical modifications as well unless it was with a official technician of Brabus, Mercedes-AMG, Kleemann, Carlsson, Lorinser or RENNtech.

If you are so proud that "I paid 48k including the Mi 6% sales tax. I believe I got a SMOKIN deal."

Why not just contact Kleemann, Carlsson, Brabus, RENNtech or Lorinser that have the experience?

There is no need to be hostile I am only giving you my opinion and it is your chose to analysis it and make your own decision.

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James Van Thach
 

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So.... I'll keep it going.
AMG is not the end all be all. Yeah.. its cool, but its not "untouchable". It is real easy to upgrade the things that they start with. Kleemen, Brabus,ect , do the same thing anyone else can do given money,expierience, and the means. I could build a twin turbo or even put a Procharger on my G55 if I wanted. It would outrun everyone of those tuner companies you listed above. I don't waste my money on those companies.. or a company like Dinan for BMW's because its all overpriced crap. You are preaching to the wrong guy when it comes to talking about modified cars and trucks. Here is the build sheet on my M5. http://www.discovery-automotive.com/portal/modules.php?name=Static_Content&id=4

I also own a E46 M3. If you want to swing your beef... your swingin it to the wrong person. I came on here because after searching posts... it seemed as if this was a mature non-competitive message board. Obviously you feel you have something to prove....or you feel the need to put down my truck and tell me how great yours is. Well.... you only showed me 1 03 G55 for the price I got mine at. I hope you had fun diggin. Enjoy your 1993 G-class Brabus G300GE 3.6liter....and if you ever want to get some power out of it......call my shop. We can build the engine as far as you want to go...tune the stock ECU or go with a full stand alone. We can even put the 5.5litre G55 motor in it if you'd like. Engine dyno it... then put it on the Chassis dyno. :thumbsup:

To other people who posted.. thanks for the warm welcome.
 

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So.... I'll keep it going.
AMG is not the end all be all. Yeah.. its cool, but its not "untouchable". It is real easy to upgrade the things that they start with. Kleemen, Brabus,ect , do the same thing anyone else can do given money,expierience, and the means. I could build a twin turbo or even put a Procharger on my G55 if I wanted. It would outrun everyone of those tuner companies you listed above. I don't waste my money on those companies.. or a company like Dinan for BMW's because its all overpriced crap. You are preaching to the wrong guy when it comes to talking about modified cars and trucks. Here is the build sheet on my M5. Discovery Automotive | AREA 51 Performance for BMW, Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche, Maserati

I also own a E46 M3. If you want to swing your beef... your swingin it to the wrong person. I came on here because after searching posts... it seemed as if this was a mature non-competitive message board. Obviously you feel you have something to prove....or you feel the need to put down my truck and tell me how great yours is. Well.... you only showed me 1 03 G55 for the price I got mine at. I hope you had fun diggin. Enjoy your 1993 G-class Brabus G300GE 3.6liter....and if you ever want to get some power out of it......call my shop. We can build the engine as far as you want to go...tune the stock ECU or go with a full stand alone. We can even put the 5.5litre G55 motor in it if you'd like. Engine dyno it... then put it on the Chassis dyno. :thumbsup:

To other people who posted.. thanks for the warm welcome.
My point to start this entire thing - I never said AMG performance couldn't be improved on. What I did say was that a magnaflow exhaust isn't going to do much, and might actually be worse than what you have. Good luck trying to out-gun Kleeman or Brabus. It would be interesting to see what you do. Chances are you'll find their stuff is better than you think but with enough creativity, time, and money anything is possible. I for one would just buy a G55 Kompressor instead if I really wanted huge performance. Doing what you did to that M5 is impressive, but hardly a minor undertaking. Since it is probably the only, or one of a handful, modified that way - longterm durability is pretty much an unknown.

You understand there is a difference between ASKING price and SELLING price? Of the items for sale that I listed, after an entire 5 minutes of searching, expect ALL to be negotiated down to roughly $47K or less (several with significantly less mileage). Like I said, you got a fair deal. By no means smokin.

No "swinging beef" here. I have a normal G500 and would rather have an 03 G55 over a 93 Brabus 3.6 any day of the week. Actually, I'd rather have my 02 G500 over the Brabus 3.6 also. Heck of a truck for it's day. Not so much anymore.
 

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mb230s.....
No hard feelings. I have no intentions on "suping up" my G. I only said I wanted more grunt in the exhaust tone.... therefore im replacing the mufflers. No big deal.
Off topic... the M5 has ran strong for 2 years now.
 
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