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So, I just bought a 1995 CL500 coupe.
This is my first Mercedes and I'm in need of some information, from what i've seen this is a great forum.
I havent been able to find much information on this year of CL500, from what I've found out, its the euro version of the w140 S500 coup and the CL500 wasn't introduced to the US till 98.

I bought this beautifull car for just $900 from a guy that was going to fix it himself but had some unexpected bills come up and had to sell it. From what he said, the owner before him over heated it and seized the number 4 piston, so he has disassembled the engine (5.0 V8) down to the bottom end.

My plan was to buy a used engine to put in but the 95 CL500 engine is impossible to find. I talked to a mercedes mechanic at the dealership who was familiar with both the CL500 and S500 and he said I should be able to put the US S500 V8 in with no problems. He said all the wiring should match and work with the euro ECM.

My question is, does anyone know if this will really work? also does anyone know what engines will work, the 5.0 V8 was in the 93-99 S500/CL500 coupe and 92-93 500SEC coupe, also it was in the 93-99 S500 sedan and the 91-93 500SEL from what i understand. So will the 5.0 V8 from any of these vehicles work?:confused:

Any information on this car or any answers to the questions above would be a huge help. Thanks!
 

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well, disposable cash can get you anything....or you can probably double your money back or more parting that bad boy out and buying another one in better mechanical condition.
 

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there are only two types of m119

the 92-99 sl500,500sl,s420,s500,e420,cl500,400se,500sel,400sel,400e and 500e have a m119 but the question is which m119 is the one with full coils, or the one with a distributor.

also don't forget the 92-96 had a wiring harness issue

here are the two types of engines

92-95
MERCEDES S500, SL500, CL500 ENGINE 1992-1999 | eBay

96-99
98 Mercedes SL500 R129 V8 engine motor S500 | eBay


also how expensive is it to overhaul the engine it has i mean you can even bore the engine to 6.0 like brabus
 

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I have about 1,500 dollars to put toward the engine, I found a few with warranties and mileage at about 100K for $1400-$1500 delivered to my door.

Also, if I bought an engine from a 98 SL500 will the wiring harness in my car work with it? If i buy a m119 from a car that Isn't the W140 chassis code it should still work right? If the new engine has coils the wiring harness wont connect right? (mine has the dizzy)

The reason I am trying to stay away from rebuilding the current engine is because I wasn't the one who took it apart, I am not sure all the bolts and small parts are there. I feel like I might spend alot more trying to put it back together.

I guess what do you think would be the best route, buy one with 100K, or have my shop bore and balance the old engine, replace the pistons and mill the heads... I was planning on flipping this car to make a nice profit.
 

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I hate to burst your bubble, but that car is not a CL500. The CL name was adopted in the US in 1997, and your car is a 1995 because there is no parktronic on the front. Are there sensors on the back at all? It is also not a Euro version. Why? You have US spec headlights with the amber reflector/sidelight and the interior is completely US spec. A number of the Euro versions had different or additional features that your car does not, such as ADS adjustability from inside the car and navigation or rear fridge option. I believe you may have a S500 coupe that someone badged as a CL500 to get the updated look (nothing wrong with that at all) along with painting the lower cladding black to match the rest of the car. As for your motor, I would go with a later model engine (98-99-no wiring issues and lower mileage) from a S500 sedan or coupe, make sure it's 5.0 liter.
 

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Thank you! Thats exactly what i needed to know.
I was thinking about that last night, I looked at the VIN and sure enough it was US. I'm guessing someone else badged it CL. That makes life alot easier.


Ok so do the 98-99 m119 have coils? If they do, will i need to buy a new wiring harness because mine has the distributer?

Thanks for your help and advice ScapinBenz
 

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$900???????

I am so jealous!!!! Damn I would pay 5 times that amount to get an S-Class Coupe here in South Africa.. Even in that same condition..

I would rather have went the route of putting it back together though. Nuts and bolts can easily be replaced. If you want to turn a profit from this car, you might want to consider that direction also.. Just get a "specialist" on your side and you good to go. you can even help out with putting it back together. So at the same time you learning about these magnificent engines. It does not hurt to know your car inside out.. After all, everything only goes one way, and thats the right way.

Just my 2 cents.. I dont know whats up with so many people thinking that swapping the engine out for another one is going to solve all their problems and be the cheapest way to go.. Overhaul what you got, and it will last you much longer, and cost you much less both on the long and short run..

If the engine block is cracked, or badly damaged inside, that is good reason to replace the motor. But most of the time, you just wasting your money on whats probably not such a big problem to begin with. Rather get to the root of the problem and deal with it appropriately. Swapping engines can cause many complications that you are not prepared for..

Yes in some cases it may take slightly longer to do the big jobs, but perfection takes time to complete.

If you are gonna do it, do it right..
 

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Well I ended up buying a used engine under warrenty for $850 shipped, its out of a 95 S500 so it shouldn't be a huge job unless unexpected problems occur, I've been thinking of keeping the other engine which only has 108K miles on it and rebuilding it as a project, it will take time but all projects do.

I bought this car to turn a profit, but everyday i love it a little more. Might just keep it.:D
The amount of work that went into building this car is amazing, and I appreciate the amount of detail.

MafiaDon- I cant believe I found this car in this condition for such a great price, it needs a little work but overall its in pretty decent shape for being 16 years old! I have been following your S500 restoration, I actually have it marked in my favorites. Your restoration has been a huge inspiration for me to tackle my coupe! keep up the good work!:thumbsup:
AND GOOD LUCK TOMORROW!
 

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let me say something if you don't mind these w140s are not a car you can make a profit on. i made that mistake twice you are going to get attracted to the car and end up wanting more. plus they are fun as a project you can make the spare engine 6.0 v8 like the amg/brabus but brabus even had 6.5 m119.

i would keep that since it only cost you about $2000 or less.
 

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haha I think your correct.
Everytime I look at it I think, "after this what would i buy?....a damn VW!? haha anything else would just seem so.... plain
 

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haha I think your correct.
Everytime I look at it I think, "after this what would i buy?....a damn VW!? haha anything else would just seem so.... plain
Thanks for your support my brother! :thumbsup:

Even if that thread inspired just one person it would have been worth it! Im glad you decided to also attempt restoring a W140. These cars are amazing!

I used to think the W220 was great, and when I first got my W140 (S320) I planned to only drive it for a year or two till I could afford a W220..

But after learning so much about the W140, I couldnt help but fall in love with these wonderful cars! Infact I loved it so much, I had to have more than one!

When that S500 popped up on the market, I had to get it! (Its not very often you get such a low price for an S-Class Mercedes here in South Africa, so I did not hesitate to purchase the S500 even though it was a non-runner and I could not really afford it at the time. But I made a plan and now its mine!!!)

Now I cant even look at a W220 the same again, in my eyes the W220 is "OK" at best, but these W140`s are just superior in every way!

I wish you all the best in your build, and by the time you are close to finishing it, you will probably end up becoming a permanent member of the W140 club!!

lol, its hard to drive a "normal" car again, after rolling presidential in a W140 lol :bowdown: Even other Mercedes models dont compare
 

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Thanks for your support my brother! :thumbsup:

Even if that thread inspired just one person it would have been worth it! Im glad you decided to also attempt restoring a W140. These cars are amazing!

I used to think the W220 was great, and when I first got my W140 (S320) I planned to only drive it for a year or two till I could afford a W220..

But after learning so much about the W140, I couldnt help but fall in love with these wonderful cars! Infact I loved it so much, I had to have more than one!

When that S500 popped up on the market, I had to get it! (Its not very often you get such a low price for an S-Class Mercedes here in South Africa, so I did not hesitate to purchase the S500 even though it was a non-runner and I could not really afford it at the time. But I made a plan and now its mine!!!)

Now I cant even look at a W220 the same again, in my eyes the W220 is "OK" at best, but these W140`s are just superior in every way!

I wish you all the best in your build, and by the time you are close to finishing it, you will probably end up becoming a permanent member of the W140 club!!

lol, its hard to drive a "normal" car again, after rolling presidential in a W140 lol :bowdown: Even other Mercedes models dont compare
Shzz.. be careful what you say, OliverK might disagree with the above :D
 

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Shzz.. be careful what you say, OliverK might disagree with the above :D
hahahahahahhahaha..

Yeh, then he might start following me from thread to thread disagreeing with everything I say, and stalking me like he does with Stryker.

lol, it really doesnt move me in the slightest. I already told him what I think of him. I got no beef with anybody here on the forum, but that is one member I really dislike..

Who knows, maybe his Toyota might break down on him one day, and he will realize that lying about owning a Mercedes did him no good. :surrender:
 

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Well, the engine i ordered was inventoried wrong... So the hunt continues..:(
 

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I was able to sort it out, the engine ended up being right. It will be here friday. Thanks for the link though!
 

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1995 mercedes CL500 (S500)

I have a CL500 which has been parked for four years. It ran well when I stored it. It is in Panama but could ship easily to U.S. It costs too much for plates and penalties here but it would make a great parts car. $2,000 OBO David Dion - [email protected]
 

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I was able to sort it out, the engine ended up being right. It will be here friday. Thanks for the link though!
I know it's late but to answer directly your original question, any M119 engine would work.

Whether it has the coils or not, you would have to remove the parts from your motor and put them on the m119 you got.
The engines are the same, it's the add-ons that attach to the motor you would have to swap from your motor to the other.
 
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