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"When we got back home, I did her car, the project 2000 S500, as a preemptive measure. It has about 146,000 miles on it, so it was probably about due. Having just done the S430 and now knowing the tricks, this one took me only about 20 minutes."

Having that "working when removed" CPS and a cheap Harbor Freight 1/4" drive set in the car sounds like a great idea - at least, that's why I have them in my spare wheel...
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I've usually kept some sort of tool set in my cars throughout my years driving older vehicles. It makes sense to have some basics that can get you home if you're stuck further than your AAA membership will tow you. I know I've learned that the hard way by not being prepared. Luckily, I have some great friends who came with a few wrenches and sockets that I was able to use to replace something critical.

Lesson learned, though. This endeavor will be no different!
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One more question for those of you who have any insight into the pros/cons: Should I look for a Keyless Go optioned car or forgo that bit?

I think I'd like the convenience, but it also seems a bit gimmicky to me. I do enjoy the turn of the key to start a car and I've always enjoyed that startup feel. However, the idea that I can just keep the key on the key ring in my pocket and hit the road is mildly alluring...gimmicky feeling and all.

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Most northeast W220 will suffer from rust . You really want a southern car or CA car

Having service records is not going to really help you avoid suspension issues or electrical issues , which is the majority of problems these cars face. Unless you happen to find a car where someone totally rebuilt the entire suspension and all struts there’s still plenty of old suspension. parts still on the car, no matter if it has 80,000 miles or 180,000 miles

The thing with high mileage cars like the 190,000 car you mention, Is that major things like transmissions are due for failure . Most failed W220 transmissions happen in the 180-250k mile range
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^^ And that's because people don't typically change their transmission fluid/filter. I've seen W220's go well in excess of 300,000 miles. One of those, the owner does the fluids religiously. The thing still runs remarkably well.

Buying a late-2003 to 2006 W220 is your best bet to avoid rust issues. It was in the 2003 (North America) model year in which M-B started switching to the double-galvanized steel. By late-2003, as evidenced by both of my 2003's, they had apparently used up all the earlier, left-over body panels from 2002 (my two '03's have no rust--they do use road salt here).

Since you're in Rochester, NY (i. e. snow and ice), I'd suggest considering a 4Matic. Just know that the suspension components for 4Matics do tend to be a bit more expensive than the 2WD versions. However, it'll be worth it when you drive the thing. Count on the need to do a full front suspension overhaul, and possibly the rear AIRmatic springs as well. If you do go 4Matic, then that takes care of two other things as well. First, all 4Matics are post-facelift (2003 and later) cars, so body rust won't be nearly as big a problem. Second, all 4Matics use the more durable 5-speed transmission.
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Keyless Go works flawlessly in my car and now that I've had it, I wouldn't want to go back. That and Distronic cruise and Parktronic give my old w220 a modern feel. Have fun looking!

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^^ And that's because people don't typically change their transmission fluid/filter. I've seen W220's go well in excess of 300,000 miles. One of those, the owner does the fluids religiously. The thing still runs remarkably well.

Buying a late-2003 to 2006 W220 is your best bet to avoid rust issues. It was in the 2003 (North America) model year in which M-B started switching to the double-galvanized steel. By late-2003, as evidenced by both of my 2003's, they had apparently used up all the earlier, left-over body panels from 2002 (my two '03's have no rust--they do use road salt here).

Since you're in Rochester, NY (i. e. snow and ice), I'd suggest considering a 4Matic. Just know that the suspension components for 4Matics do tend to be a bit more expensive than the 2WD versions. However, it'll be worth it when you drive the thing. Count on the need to do a full front suspension overhaul, and possibly the rear AIRmatic springs as well. If you do go 4Matic, then that takes care of two other things as well. First, all 4Matics are post-facelift (2003 and later) cars, so body rust won't be nearly as big a problem. Second, all 4Matics use the more durable 5-speed transmission.
I currently have my eye on a 2004 S500. Has the push-to-start, usual options, nothing too crazy and a decent interior. I think it's got 140K on the clock? I don't have the ad in front of me at the moment (saved on my phone), but it seems to be in decent condition. It's not a true Southern car, so I need to ensure the story I'm told about the rust is actually true. It's about a five hour drive to go see it, so before I make the trek, I want to be sure it's mostly in order before I drive out there and look for myself. Seller says the only issue is a speed sensor which causes the car to occasionally go into limp mode. I haven't googled that to see if the logic is there and I'm fairly certain he doesn't have the SDS, so I'm planning on setting up a PPI. If that's really the case, I'll just buy four speed sensors and replace them if I decide to go ahead with this vehicle. Definitely going to start stockpiling the common-failure/worn parts ahead of time so I can have them in case.

I have a bit more research to do and more talking to the seller to get my questions answered. Just when I think I have everything answered, I come up with another thing to ask. Hate to be "that guy" when communicating electronically with constant questions, but I also want to ensure that what I'm buying is in decent enough shape that there's still some enjoyment left in it.
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Awwwww c'mon, half the pleasure of owning a W220 is learning SDS, becoming all intimate with it, and the challenges of fixing it up and really understanding what makes it tick

And at that point, "grasshopper" , you will be like myself and other members here and realise exactly what fabulous, and ahead of their time Vehicles MB's are, especially the higher end ones

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Awwwww c'mon, half the pleasure of owning a W220 is learning SDS, becoming all intimate with it, and the challenges of fixing it up and really understanding what makes it tick

And at that point, "grasshopper" , you will be like myself and other members here and realise exactly what fabulous, and ahead of their time Vehicles MB's are, especially the higher end ones

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Oh I plan on getting an SDS and doing all sorts of swaps/repairs/tinkering with the W220 when I pull the trigger. That's half the fun of owning a car - knowing it well and the satisfaction of fixing something that keeps it going.

Weird how for some of us, that's something we enjoy for our weekends. Others I've come across hate that. Oh well...to each their own.

But yes, I enjoy the higher end cars for that reason - they're really quite nice and have some features you still see today as standard. As the great Jeremy Clarkson once said (not really quoting) "if you want to see what's going to be standard on cars in 10 years, look at what's on the Mercedes S Class right now."

Words to live by.
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That speed sensor...is it the one in the transmission's conductor plate, by chance? If so, then if it's the 5-speed transmission, then you can buy it from eEuroparts or FCPEuro or somewhere else similar and replace it yourself (I've done it--it's about an hour and a half's work). If it's the 7-speed...then that conductor plate is one of the "Theft Relevant Parts" and you have to go to the stealership.
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