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I would love to do this with my car and have ALL the bells and whistles possible the first time around. I just need a step by step as I am wired to be very methodical.

To read the specific threads on this issue would take longer than the actual install!.

I can tackle about any job there is but would hate to have to reinvent the wheel. Is there a particular thread or sticky that is somewhat straight forward without a lot of "additional" comments or unrelated information? Or do I need to sort through it all and figure it out? I have a feeling it is the later.
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The 2003 W220 is a post-facelift car, but still has the D2B bus...

The Comand unit fits 2003 thru 2003.
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@Triple cranks

Yes you need to sort through them, I'm afraid it is all very dis jointed, and sadly I am now way too busy with the business to sort it all out as I had originally intended, the best one is to find the thread where I helped @cowboyt and use that as a reference.

Maybe someone on W220 Forum can help me, I'll post a new thread how we can do this

Yes @wallyp is quite correct ......................

OK, lets expand on this a bit .......................

Basically what I'm saying (as I have said many times before), is this:- Consider the W220 Cars as 3 options for an Android Install .......................

Bose D2B , Bose MOST and No Bose ....................

If the Car has BOSE and MOST F/O then you can get an F/O Adaptor, but because it only works on 2 Channels you don't get as much Volume, so you are running the H/U Volume much higher than normal, and therefore distortion creeps in.
Also you lose the Sub, and Centre Dash Speakers, so again it doesn't sound as good !!
Also you lose the ability to Fade front to Rear from H/U !!

I recommend Wiring Centre Dash and Sub with the 6m Cable as per a D2B Bose Car below ................
If you do not do this because you can't be assed don't come on here spouting that Androids sound crap compared to COMAND, when properly installed and set up they sound better

With a BOSE D2B Csr there is no F/O Adaptor available, the correct way to do this is remove the Bose Amplifier, run the 6m Cable to rear of Car and hard wire the H/U's 4 x 50W to the LR / RR / LF & RF Speaker Wires at Amplifier, and then hard wire the Centre Dash and Woofer, (monaural) , like this :- Centre Dash + to LF- and Centre Dash - to RF+ do the exact same with Woofer to LR- and RR+ .................

Now the Speaker system is working as MB intended, and if you wish, later down the line you can disconnect Rear Sub and add aftermarket Amp to Rear Sub, via the Sub out Phono on the H/U .....................

If you have a "No BOSE" W220 then you are laughing, (like I was), because all connections including Speakers are at the back of the old COMAND H/U, and your Centre Dash and Woofer are already wired monaural as I said above

Adding an Amplified Sub is exactly what I did on my SLK R170, however I have found that on W220 there is, (for my Volume Taste), really no need as it is a much quieter Car inside than the R170 is with Roof Down at 100mph

My taste in Volume, FWIW, is a mid to loud (can still hear a passenger talking in a slightly raised voice), but very Hi Quality sound rather than a humongous thump thump noise

Most folk over "drive" their Bass btw

The stock W220 Speakers in my (Non BOSE) Car are in good condition, and they give me very good quality sound with the ERISIN

The stock R170 (front doors only) Speakers however were not in good condition, hence the Tweets were fine, but I replaced the 2 Mid Range in the Front Doors, then added 2 Tweets and 2 Mid Range in the Rear Bulkhead, and also added a surface mounted Active (Amplified) Sub on the Rear Bulkhead
The R170 ERISIN now sounds absolutely amazing

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"Now the Speaker system is working as MB intended, and if you wish, later down the line you can disconnect Rear Sub and add aftermarket Amp to Rear Sub, via the Sub out Phono on the H/U ...

In you new thread, perhaps there should be a strong recommendation to run the sub-out cable whilst you are running the cables during the original install, even if you are not installing an amp at the time.
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Hi @wallyp ,

There will be, IIRC it is in the Thread where @cowboyt 's Car got converted


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The 2003 W220 is a post-facelift car, but still has the D2B bus...

The Comand unit fits 2003 thru 2003.
Then it's just like my S600 (a 2003 model), which will be the next car to get this treatment. The process, as Dave has outlined, to get really good sound will be the same as for a MOST car. There really is no need to even have the D2B (2003)--or, in the 2004-2006 cars, the MOST amplifier--in there after you're done, and at least in the case of Erisin's head unit, the amplifier seems to be doing a rather good job.

BTW, those 2003 D2B units also work quite nicely in pre-facelift cars. I tried a 2003 D2B unit in the project 2000 S500, back when I was considering going that route. Worked perfectly except for navigation, since I didn't have the nav unit. And the nav unit was really what pushed me in the direction of the Android head units. If you've already got, say, a Garmin Nuvi, or otherwise don't care about navigation inside the head unit, then a 2003 factory head unit is a fine upgrade for the pre-facelift cars.

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2000 S500 (best friend's--now WIFE's--DD: my first W220 project car, once gone to, and now returned from, an excellent home--welcome back home, baby!)
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Hi @cowboyt ,

Agreed, the only thing I would add to that is ................... (in UK at least) ...................

The last Update Disc for the MB Navi Units is now well out of date, whereas the Androids SD Card Navi is current at purchase time

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True, they are. Nav was why I went Android. The D2B 2003 head-unit upgrade makes sense in a pre-facelift car if you either don't care about navigation, or you already have another--say, third-party--nav unit. Turns out a lot of people use cell phones over here for nav these days (e. g. Waze). Otherwise, I'd recommend going Android.
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If anyone has the small three-pin power connector for the CD changer, I would be interested in the connector and a few inches of the wire harness. Mine suffered a major meltdown, destroying the changer, the connector and the first few inches of the wire harness. I have a spare CD changer, but I do not have a spare connector.

Lesson learned - if you buy any electrical device from from a wrecking yard, get the connectors as well.
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Hi @wallyp ,

I would imagine, (as with all Mercedes Wiring Plugs / Terminals), that you can get what you need from the Main Dealer, which will be the 3 metal connector pins and the Plastic part of the plug ..................

Look up on WIS for "connector repair" pieces, to get the Part Numbers, should be along with the Actual CD Changer Wiring Loom, they can be a bugger to find but they should be there

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