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Questions about ignition cal and key not turning

My car is a 2001 s55 amg....

So I ran into an issue last night .
My key would not turn in the ignition .
I did a lot of research using the search button but I still have a few questions .
I already ordered a new key remote thingy key fob??? And had to bring my title and all that n it was 300$$ ..
Reason I believe it was my remote was it wasn't unlocking the doors even after I changed the batteries , then I opened it up and found that the power board had the wire wrapped part was dangling around so I rigged it enough to at least unlock the doors. I also seen one of the infrared sensors was loose .
Question 1 . Would this be a cause for the key not turning ? I got it to turn a few times as it made the connection but wouldn't crank the car over or anything .
Question 2 . Are there any specific fuses I should check just encase the remote was fine but happen to brake upon opening it up
Question 3 . Once my key arrive are there any special procedures or steps I gave to take to get it to work ? Or will I simply be able to slide my metal door key into it and gave it turn over and crank the car ??
Thx fir reading my novel guys , I appreciate your time and help very much .
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This is the part I 1st initially found dangling around ... then I knowiced the loose infrared sensor that has now completely fallen off
And am I correct , is this a sensor on my finger ?
And could anybody solder these parts back on this remote for me and I could pay them for fixing it ???
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Hi,

Yes I strongly suspect this will be the cause of non unlock and non start, my advice is to not try and rig anything to start it, wait for the new Key, if you mess up the Immo on these cars it can write the car off

A Key supplied by the Dealer should work right off the bat

You have to treat Keys, EIS, Shifter and ME 2.8 Engine ECU with extreme extreme extreme care and respect, because if you FUBAR one part you often have no option but to change all 4 Parts then, as they make up the "Theft Relevant" set, (read Immobiliser)

Note that not even SDS Kit can "Re Code" Immobiliser Issues !!

There was a guy IIRC he is @93SoCal400E (< hopefully he will see the call up), he was on here a while back and he has successfully repaired some keys for MB owners, not sure if he could fix one as butchered as yours is but if you don't have a spare then it may be worth a shot !!

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Now I already ordered a new key through m.b dealer but if I buy a key that is the same mh and part Number what would I do to get it working with my car , would a dealer have to further program it? I attached a pic if the receipt for the new key I bought and then the other pic is of the key for sale I'm wondering with how to get it to work with my car
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Hi,

No Dealer can do Keys, and the MB PDC (1 in each Country), will not touch a Chinesium Key, they won't even deal with the public

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First of all let’s go back -
The reason your key would not turn in the ignition is most likely because your car battery voltage was too low !

Start there , at your car battery - and confirm it’s fully charged , do not start investigation at the key
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First of all let’s go back -
The reason your key would not turn in the ignition is most likely because your car battery voltage was too low !

Start there , at your car battery - and confirm it’s fully charged , do not start investigation at the key
No my batteries were just checked and I could clearly see my remote was broken in a common spot but I did check my batteries and even unhooked the trunk battery fir awhile
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No Dealer can do Keys, and the MB PDC (1 in each Country), will not touch a Chinesium Key, they won't even deal with the public [IMG class=inlineimg]/forums/images/BenzWorld2/smilies/tango_face_wink.png[/IMG]

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So only route is the route I just took? Through a dealership .... damn
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No there is another way - swap a matched set of key , ecu, ignition switch and shifter from a donor car

No programming is needed that way . They sell matched sets in Ebay for about $360 taken from wrecked donor cars
You must swap all 4 parts taken from the same car
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No there is another way - swap a matched set of key , ecu, ignition switch and shifter from a donor car

No programming is needed that way . They sell matched sets in Ebay for about $360 taken from wrecked donor cars
You must swap all 4 parts taken from the same car
Hi,

That certainly works as I well know
However, that would really be my recommendation for a problem with EIS and or Shifter, Engine ECU and Key problems have cheaper alternatives that retain the Identity and Mileage of the Car

By changing the set, yes the Car will run, but then you end up with a Car that reports the wrong VIN on Diagnostic, also Post Facelift will lose the Mileage on the Cluster, and end up with either ------ or if the Donor Car has a higher mileage, you can end up with your Cluster reporting that higher mileage.

Lastly you definitely need SDS to at minimum check the Version Codings of the used modules and then correct if necessary, otherwise other faults can surface

If he had asked before purchasing the Key from MB, I would have recommended that he first get an Indie Locksmith to test all Keys he had, and then if proven dud, (well in this case, that one he has is definitely FUBAR), either Repair that one and / or program a new pattern Key. In UK we pay around 180 for that service with 1 new Key

BTW, to OP, since you disconnected the Battery expect things to not work correctly when you get it running, like Windows, Sunroof, Power Trunk Lifter etc etc, as these will now need Normalising, the procedures can be found in the Encyclopaedia

Disconnecting the Battery never does "reset" much, that is just "folk lore rubbish", I HARDLY EVER disconnect a Battery on Cars with this much Electronics, it causes far more grief than it is worth !!

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