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Hi @Deplore ,

...........Have you ever driven a V6 SLK R170, it's just over 1600kg, it's bloody dangerously quick as is lol

Besides which, I have an M113 55K motor to go in my W220 eventually, so I will then have two 5.0 M113's spare

Transmission wise, yes I know the V6 is weaker than the V8, what I will probably do is leave the V6 one in the Car for initial testing, with it's own TCU and Diff.
SLK320 runs a 3.27 if my sources are correct, my SDS screen Photos seem to confirm that. I reckon the V8 Diff would be needed on a Road Car.

Once the Car is tested out and no issues I will then swap in the V8 Box and Converter after a freshen up, plus the V8 TCU and the V8 Diff, hopefully the V8 TCU Plug is the same as the V6, I will check that out soon

OK, on to your initial reply about the Immo Virginise I have some questions .......................

1) I take it as I don't do Eepromming that means getting my Eeprommer man to Virgin that little 8 legged chip in my pictures ??

2) Is this Chip where SDS reads the VIN from ??

3) Do I then need to have a "Green" Key to perform the marriage on SDS ??

4) Do I need unlocked SDS ??

5) Would simply swapping the 8 legged Chips not do the same thing ??

6) The V6 Car is DAS 2 (Blade Key) and the V8 is DAS 3 IR Key, is that still good to go ??

Thanks in Advance, Dave

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Hi @Deplore

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Actually, I have. And while yes, the car is quick....you know what makes it even better? MOOOOOORE POWAAAAAH!

LOL, what is it "There ain't no substitute for Cubic Inches"

1. Correct. Got it

2. Yes it does. Got it

3. No, green key is only for EIS. Got it

4. No. Any plain jane SDS will do it. Great, my old one asks for passwords sometimes, my new one is unlocked allegedly but yet to try it in anger.

5. Technically yes, but then you won't have an original V6 ECU that will start the car. Also, this chip holds the SCN coding as well, so it might be easier to have the M113 SCN code present in the M113 ECU. Having M112 SCN code in M113 will work, but weird things might happen? Never tried it. OK, can I alter that SCN ? isn't that just Version Coding on something this age? with Offline SDS ? If so I will try soldering the Drivers onto V6 ECU from that spare V8 unit I have as I'm comfortable with that, but not so comfortable with soldering 8 legged Chip

6. Yes, no problems. I can interchange the ECU from 1997 and 1998-2000 W210 here.... 97 is DAS2 with blade key, 98 went electronic key. Still works. Got it

Incidentally, M112 ECU in a M104 car will start it and it will run.....though I very highly recommend you do not do that. The firing order is out of order, and you get constant backfires.

Scared the crap out of me, lol. .........................

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Hi Guys,

The last unknown quantity will work ................

A quick bit of info, I have verified that the V6 R170 and the V8 C215 / W220 TCU's are both EGS52, so they have the same identical Wiring Plugs, so that opens up various Transmission combinations for the project

I could use a v8 Trans built with a V6 Gearset ratio, and V6 Diff, and stock V6 TCU =humongous acceleration but will be thirsty for fuel at motorway speeds

or

I could use V8 Trans stock, V8 Diff and stock V8 TCU = probably the best set up, car weighs 1660 KG so significantly quicker than W220 but will have sensible Fuel Consumption

or use a combination of bits, aka "Franken Transmission" and find out how to set what number to what number for the SCN Code probably too much messin' for me.

I'll drive it on V6 Diff / Trans / TCU and if it is waaaaaay too wild and thirsty I will tame it a bit with a V8 W220 Diff / Trans / TCU.

I will check the p/n of Gearsets and number of Clutches in each pack between V6 and V8 Trannys next, as I simply do not know for certain if they are actually any different !!

Maybe @MAVA can chip in here

Cheers for now,

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Actually the saying is "There's no replacement for displacement!"
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I already bought a private plate for it in the same series as my S class one ...................

S for SLK, 50 for 5.0 litre and Dave !!

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Actually the saying is "There's no replacement for displacement!"
^^ I've seen both versions, and in either incarnation, the statement is true. :-) The S430 is great, no question. Drove the project S500 to work yesterday, yeah, the difference is there.

@Dave2302 , that looks like a sweet car. With that engine, I can imagine the cops' reaction.

Cop 1: That's Dave, he's speeding, pull him over!
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LOL, It is a legal requirement in UK to have a post code on the bottom of Reg Plates so officials can tell who made the plates !! ......................

Can you see the (non existant) "post code" next to the MB writing on the footer, it is SL50 2FU

I don't read anywhere in said stoopid law that it has to actually be a real post code
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I don't believe that there is a single state of the fifty that will let you manufacture your own plates, and each state has its own graphics design and letter/number pattern. All are the standard size, though:
"Designs for use in the United States, Canada and Mexico must fit into an 11.44 x 5.44 inch rectangle, with radius corners sized to match the debossing rim in the blanking press."

Georgia recently went from an embossed (raised letters and numbers) aluminum plate with Scotchlite (reflective) background and very fancy semi-hidden holograms in the background to a cheap flat printed non-reflective piece of junk.

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The loophole over here is that you can get mail order for the Illegal ones, note that the way mine is done is almost 100% legal, except that the U is slightly narrowed to make it look a little more like a V

Of course way back, when I bought S55 if I could have got DAV I would have, but that series has been allocated long ago and fetch silly money

I bought the number on retention yesterday, ordered the plates from mr "X" and they turned up today

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Hi Guys,

The last unknown quantity will work ................

A quick bit of info, I have verified that the V6 R170 and the V8 C215 / W220 TCU's are both EGS52, so they have the same identical Wiring Plugs, so that opens up various Transmission combinations for the project

I could use a v8 Trans built with a V6 Gearset ratio, and V6 Diff, and stock V6 TCU =humongous acceleration but will be thirsty for fuel at motorway speeds

or

I could use V8 Trans stock, V8 Diff and stock V8 TCU = probably the best set up, car weighs 1660 KG so significantly quicker than W220 but will have sensible Fuel Consumption

or use a combination of bits, aka "Franken Transmission" and find out how to set what number to what number for the SCN Code probably too much messin' for me.

I'll drive it on V6 Diff / Trans / TCU and if it is waaaaaay too wild and thirsty I will tame it a bit with a V8 W220 Diff / Trans / TCU.

I will check the p/n of Gearsets and number of Clutches in each pack between V6 and V8 Trannys next, as I simply do not know for certain if they are actually any different !!

Maybe @MAVA can chip in here

Cheers for now,

Dave
Dave,

Off the gate, V6 tranny has three pinion transmission output shaft, and the V8's/V12's have four pinion transmission output shaft, so that will not work.

Also, the differential for that specific model must go with that engine, but I guess you could always change the reluctor rings on the half shafts where the car gets it speed feedback, but then the speedo/odometer have timing issues too...

Try the tranny and differential first...

The TCMs have different CAN bus versions, so stay with the generation of the same years as the vehicle. If you get a AMG tranny, get the AMG TCU, or you may get some really hard shifts at low Km/hr (bumper to bumper traffic). They may feel like you are getting hit from the rear on every shift. No mixing.

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