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RIP my W210. Considering coming to the dark side.

We all know and love the 210 chassis, but they're getting more difficult to find.

Plus, newer vehicles and less miles is ALWAYS a good thing.

What's the best year and engine for overall practicality and reliability? I need a workhorse commuter for buzzing from Tucson to Phoenix and from Tucson to Mexicali, Mexico, etc...

From what I'm gathering there seems to be an affection for the 2005 E320, yes?

Throw some info at me. Can I avoid AIRMATIC? What do I need to know about these chassis? Just the basic rundown, don't need to get super complicated, what would I want if I wanted the most reliable/practical option! I'm the kind of guy who likes to keep something forever, so for example, until someone wrecks mine, like what happened today! ...

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Don't expect that you can drive any newer MB for 20 years without putting some serious money in it sometimes.
You already know about airmatic, add SBC, than weak balance shafts, than rims that bend over dropped match, than oil coolers seals, than cleaning intakes, or what dealers do - replacing whole intake.
The 2005 E320 will be the same drivetrain you are dumping, with slightly better body, but than SBC.
SBC has extended warranty now, but most of W211 have airmatic.
Good luck with your choice.


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Well, I didn't care about dumping around 4 thousand for a transmission on my W210 when I had to do that. I didn't care about spending $1,500 on an AC compressor (which was going to happen on Friday but now the car is wrecked), and I wouldn't have cared about spending another $1000 for motor/trans mounts.

So... does the W211 fall sorta in line with that, or are we talking some more serious and very costly stuff?

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Good 210's are still out there. I'm a fan of mine so far. Might have too look in CA for a good one thats not all dried out from the desert. I test drove a w211 cdi and I admire the hell out of that car. For me the deciding factor was cost of ownership and the ease of repair. I was put off by the sbc braking on the w211, yes I know they have an extended factory warranty and all. Still, when it's out of warranty you're boned. No car is perfect, w210 has the evap buried in the dash and is quite a job to replace. In vegas, it's not an option to have a non functioning A/C. For me, the 1998 e300 td ticked all the boxes with relatively few downsides (knock on wood).
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If I was going with a W211, I would go a bit newer to get past the SBC and balance shaft issues. I think that’s MY08 and later, but you need to confirm the engine serial number (or go diesel).
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2005-2006 E320 CDI diesel is the ultimate economical luxury cruiser. SBC Isn' t an issue for US owners as the warranty is extended till 2025. Even if not, to have your SBC unit rebuilt is less than $1000. Usually around $750 or so.

As Kajtek said, the regular The regular E320 gasser will have the same drive train as your W210, but on a more reliable platform. W211 is alot more rust proof, and that particular drivetrain is near the end of its production run, meaning the engine and transmissions have had the large majority of their issues ironed out from the factory. stay away from 2003 models and early 2004 models as they had some early production issues that 2005+ models didn't have.

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2005-2006 E320 CDI diesel is the ultimate economical luxury cruiser. SBC Isn' t an issue for US owners as the warranty is extended till 2025. Even if not, to have your SBC unit rebuilt is less than $1000. Usually around $750 or so.

As Kajtek said, the regular The regular E320 gasser will have the same drive train as your W210, but on a more reliable platform. W211 is alot more rust proof, and that particular drivetrain is near the end of its production run, meaning the engine and transmissions have had the large majority of their issues ironed out from the factory. stay away from 2003 models and early 2004 models as they had some early production issues that 2005+ models didn't have.

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Exactly the information I was looking for! Thank you!

What years do I need to avoid for the balance shafts / engine issues? Is it 06 and newer?

I will consider 05-06 320 CDI, or ???? 320 Gasser??? which years would I want to look for, same 05-06 only? I don't particularly care for the facelift and do not want the added issues with the newer cars that I read about on the engine.

I just want the most well built/most reliable W211 I can get for a good price. My budget is probably small. Maybe 5-7k I really am not sure how much money I'll have to spend, unfortunately the budget is tight and I do not want to finance anything that is for sure.

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CDI is not the same as Bluetec, correct? Do I NOT want Bluetec? Forgive my ignorance but I am yielding my lack of knowledge to you fine people.

Thanks!

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Hey guys! Did a bit of research, looks like it's the M272 and M273 engines I want to avoid.

I think those would only apply to the 'E350' designation.

So, in short, 05-06 E320 gasser, or 05-06 E320 CDI is ultimately the way to go, correct?

I kinda like the gasser just because of familiarity, but not opposed at all to the CDI. Depends on what pops up and what I find with some good maintenance records, etc etc etc.

Thanks for the help, feel free to throw any more comments my way.

Edit: One other thing, which ones can I find without Airmatic? Will they all have it? Still digging here.. thanks for help!

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05-06 320 cdi is non blue tec. They are sought after for that reason. I test drove an 06 and it was a hell of a car. You could do a lot worse for sure. They can be found for $5-7K, sometimes more depending on condition. If you find a good one, snap it up, they sell fast.
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