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post #101 of 141 (permalink) Old 01-26-2018, 06:09 AM
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advice sought -- buy or forsake

greetings all!

so my trusty w124-E320 is getting a bit older, and i need a safe and comfy daily driver. staying with the E, i am sort of inclined towards a 2002 w211-e320. just as i wanted to take the car for a test spin, the seller told me that i could not cause of the brake-warning. Though all ought to be OK, he did not find this appropriate, and therefore advised me to come back once this all was sorted out. So this took a while, and today finally all was clear and I tested. Sure, neat car, good options, comfy drive and all.

He also has a w211-240. Good car as well, so trying to balance. Both have roughly same mileage, so when will this one be up for SBC? And what would have been the price of a repair and so he gave me the dealer quote.

Right then. Why did it take so long, and was the 320 equipped with a revised or an all new SBC pump? Then came the story. So he says he bought an entirely new unit, but it failed to talk to ESP. And instead of hooking it up to STAR, they did the following:

- took out the electronics from the old pump that came with the car
-reset the count
-swapped that into the new pump (Bosch)
-put this into car
-which apparently recognized the setup

now my question: is this good practise? Anyone heard of this approach? Sure, i understand that doing the entire swap at dealer is the preferred way if money no issue. but is this a valid and safe approach, or would this be considered risk that is not to be taken?

Advise appreciated

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post #102 of 141 (permalink) Old 01-28-2018, 12:12 PM
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The whole procedure sound very fishy to me, even it might be doable.
Can you confirm the pump is indeed new?
Purchase statement, maybe serial number will tell the year?
Either way, by monkey the job - seller lowered the car value and that should be calculated.
Than you are buying 16-years old car. How is corrosion on it?
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I concur that it does smell fishy.
It is not a leap of faith that used car dealers can be ripoff artists all over the world.
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post #104 of 141 (permalink) Old 02-01-2018, 11:20 PM
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Talking here is what i did to confirm.

took my vehicle for a recall for the smell of gaz, while there they showed me that sbc thingy was done on my car, after installing the new gas tank, i asked if i can take a look at my old one, and they agreed, walked me inside and showed it to me , even tho its a mercedes benz dealer, i have learned trust no one since im immigrated from a country where officials are scumming...lol...for that im glad im a part of this great nation, GOD BLESS THE USA...lol.
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I think any car with a failed power brake booster will have substandard braking. I once was driving my Suburban when I heard a whoosh when I stepped on the brakes. I was far from home and it finally quit about 30 miles from the house. I made it home using both feet to depress the pedal and stop the car.
Ford Van with 7.3L Diesel, when you loose the vacuum pump WITHOUT WARNING, you better hope you aren't doing 60mph, even at 25mph it a bear to stop, happened to me one early Sunday morning, I couldn't stop for a stop sign, blew right through. There is NO warning and there is no accumulator to hold a vacuum for emergencies. The vacuum pump is driven as a serpentine accessory. So if the belt goes so does your brakes unlike a gas engine, the culprit was an idler pulley that fell apart, damaged the fan blades on the way out, but all was covered under warranty as "Consequential Damage" which had there not been a mechanic standing there listening to me buying parts it would have cost me. That diesel engine had an extended warranty, exceeding the gas engine warranty.

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SBC went out on a state highway and it is scary. Since the vehicle is out of warranty had to shell out $1800 for replacement with a indy. Dealer in Atlanta quoted more than twice that number.
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highly advise anyone with an SBC equipped car to take it out on a country road with low traffic and unplug the SBC module, and practice driving with 0 SBC assist. You will end up wanting to use the parking brake too in emergency stops. That way if the system ever DOES fail while driving, you're a bit more prepared
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Good advice. I practice lifting my left foot to the emergency brake at least once a week. Takes a long distance to stop!

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Saw this news on another forum and just confirmed it with my local MB service manager. The SBC unit now has an extended warranty until 2029, unlimited mileage!!!

This is a huge win for us.

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Saw this news on another forum and just confirmed it with my local MB service manager. The SBC unit now has an extended warranty until 2029, unlimited mileage!!!

This is a huge win for us.

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Link?! I haven't heard anything about this.

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