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35mm lowering springs and shims ???

I have RennTech 50-5000 (Apex) 35 mm lowering springs. Plan on installing them when I install my 19" wheels and tires 255/40 fr and 275/40 rr take offs from a W221. My Benz is a S420 WITHOUT any auto leveling suspension or added weight options in rear. Up front is light weight small V8 which I assume is the lightest engine in U.S. produced W140 models. Lighter than the larger 12 cyl and the straight 6 cyl engines as well as the larger V8. Stock shims are 13 mm front and 18mm rear. What shims should I go with? Same as stock, 13mm, 18mm, 23mm all away around. Please give your set up detail and feedback. Much appreciated.
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There's no weight difference between the 4.2 and 5L M119's. Trial and error on the spring pads. Start with the stock pads and if the result doesn't suit your taste, then adjust accordingly.
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I believe you are wrong. The 94 S420 does not have power rear seats, heated rear seat, SLS, charcoal A/C filter, and ASR that all add weight and came standard on a 94 500 along with a heavier engine - larger bore and longer stroke for larger pistons and longer connecting rods times 8. There's definitely a weight difference.

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There's no weight difference between the 4.2 and 5L M119's. Trial and error on the spring pads. Start with the stock pads and if the result doesn't suit your taste, then adjust accordingly.
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This is with the new wheels before the RennTech 35mm lowering springs.
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People my car suffered a very stiff ride, the shocks were replaced, other suspension parts has no play at all, I suspect the shims are gone hard. My question is how much does shims affect ride quality and isolation from road and I attempted to replace all four but the a mechanic said it has nothing to do with ride quality, am very confused. Please help

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People my car suffered a very stiff ride, the shocks were replaced, other suspension parts has no play at all, I suspect the shims are gone hard. My question is how much does shims affect ride quality and isolation from road and I attempted to replace all four but the a mechanic said it has nothing to do with ride quality, am very confused. Please help

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What model, what suspension? Conventional, SLS, ADS?
The shims have very little effect on ride. They mainly fine tune ride height by using different thicknesses
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What model, what suspension? Conventional, SLS, ADS?
The shims have very little effect on ride. They mainly fine tune ride height by using different thicknesses


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I believe you are wrong.
No, he stated that there are no weight difference between the M119 engines, and
I think thats close to true. The rods are actually the same length, so the increased sweep
volume I guess must come from wider throw on the crank, and perhaps taller deck or
bigger chamber in the head.
Also take into consideration the engine block material removed to make the wider bore (0.5litre of alu ).

More measurement here;
http://www.w124performance.com/docs/...ment_specs.txt

The total empty weight of a S420 vs S500 is that the S420 is 10kg lighter (1990kg vs 2000kg);
https://mb-w140.de

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