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Before feeling too hopeless, would it be possible to back out of this project (put your old parts on) and sell what you have? It can feel like giving up, but sometimes things are not worth it ultimately.
This is an excellent piece of advice and a lot to learn from your experience. I remember your project with the headlights. Is not a shame to give up on a project, although many don't see it that way. I put my stubbornness aside and gave up on my project with the SEL, made peace in my mind that it was a mistake which ultimately costs me ~ $7000, but instead of continuing on the same road, I choose to admit my mistake and cut my loses. Did I look like an idiot in my family? Yes, of course I did, but I used my example to teach my kids (and others too) something that will be more valuable for them in their life than in mine. As for me, I learned a lot from my sad experience with the SEL, and the high quality SEC I got proved it.

It will be up to him to decide if is worth stopping or continuing, his car, his money. I was surprised from the start that he took this road of installing tri-ys when he already had Euro logs from the factory, and I wondered if the extra expense and effort will be worth the few ponies gained (not many anyway)? I still have the same opinion I had, but I do hope he will get a resolution with minimum of expense and effort.
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I think the choice of mechanics and parts is the issue here because nothing seems to be gojng right in this build - wheels don’t fit right , lowering didn’t really lower the car , exhaust doesn’t fit , etc.

It’s not just bad luck , there is something wrong in the parts ordering process or the mechanics chosen to do the work
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Did I look like an idiot in my family? Yes, of course I did, but I used my example to teach my kids (and others too) something that will be more valuable for them in their life than in mine.
This is such a true statement. My wife has gradually learned more about the projects I've done... which were successful, which were horrible failures. And she's quick to remind me of those failures!

Definitely something to be said for taking the time to do it right though. I did that when retrofiting a panoramic roof to an R129 I had. Swapped the interior door panels, seals, went to the dealership (in person to the older folks that received 1:1 training on the R129 when new) to follow the WIS guides to make sure the seal fit perfectly (needs to be shimmed, etc; they're custom fit to each car). When it was all done, I fell in love with the car all over again

Definitely cheering for ya

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I think the choice of mechanics and parts is the issue here because nothing seems to be gojng right in this build - wheels don’t fit right , lowering didn’t really lower the car , exhaust doesn’t fit , etc.

It’s not just bad luck , there is something wrong in the parts ordering process or the mechanics chosen to do the work

it may seem like this could be the situation but do Not believe that

My mechanic is 40 yrs only mercedes mechanic....he knows his stuff and did wonders with my sel

the wheels, my pentas were perfectly fine on the SEL

the springs were the correct HR part number as per the order...installation was correct, but it didnt lower...who knows

exhaust/headers....all MB parts and correct LHD parts, i checked. ...all motor mounts, trans mounts good....checked again and again...i dont know why....Demon car....

so......who is gonna make me an offer?

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Your luck reminds me of mine when I had decided to get Euro headlamps.. I got a “ready to go” set from someone for $650 and then spent about $800 fixing basically everything. It was a really bad feeling at the time... but eventually there was a light at the end

Your project is a lot more expensive and critical to the car than mine was! Before feeling too hopeless, would it be possible to back out of this project (put your old parts on) and sell what you have? It can feel like giving up, but sometimes things are not worth it ultimately. Hopefully, things turn around though and you can finish it
I had a similar situation years ago where upon receipt, there were corrosion spots on the inside reflectors--I understand they are delicate and to look perfect again would need to be refinished (when I emailed the seller and politely addressed it of course I never heard from him again). Did you have this issue and if so, where did you have them replated? Also, did you need new rubber seals? They are pretty hard to find as well.
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I had a similar situation years ago where upon receipt, there were corrosion spots on the inside reflectors--I understand they are delicate and to look perfect again would need to be refinished (when I emailed the seller and politely addressed it of course I never heard from him again). Did you have this issue and if so, where did you have them replated? Also, did you need new rubber seals? They are pretty hard to find as well.
Here's a link to my rock-bottom post, where I was super close to giving up. I used a local place to do the plating; they did a great job (link there in the post; they had a queue of about 4 weeks)

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finally.....got a chance to drop the car off at the muffler place

guys working there are old time hot rodders....i showed him the issue and gave him the parts i have and told him to do whatever is needed..

i dont care any more....just do it

he recommends i do the exhaust tips after add the lower rear spoiler and paint bumpers

lets see

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Here's a link to my rock-bottom post, where I was super close to giving up. I used a local place to do the plating; they did a great job (link there in the post; they had a queue of about 4 weeks)
whoops- looks like I forgot to share the link?
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Thanks Brian, I ended up getting the lenses from the same guy five or six years ago (I wonder if your packages had as much hooka soot ingrained into them as mine did). One of the lenses (brand new) came with what looks like a cut-type of scratch about a half inch long--it seemed like too much trouble to try to return or maybe it was "the last one" at the time. Any idea if one of the window chip repair processes might make that area less apparent?

Also, do you remember from where you obtained the Euro lamp lens gaskets?

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Here is the where the flange would go. However, I would not recommend doing that because of the trouble you'd have to go to get to that area and because of the CA emission laws. That would be done only when you remove the intake assembly and plan on refreshing the rubber rings between the two intakes.

If you do have the hole plugged in the intake (that's my understanding ), then most likely you should not worry about that flange.

If you do still have the EGR operational (because of the CA emission laws), just transfer it to the tri-y and do not connect its vacuum line to it (remove the vacuum line and plug the port on the vacuum valve) and reconnect the vacuum tube before you have your emission testing done. The vacuum is what is opening it, and if no vacuum to the EGR then no exhaust gases in the intakle, it's that simple.

Anyway, the EGR issues is probably your easiest part of the entire job you are planing.
Liviu165, what technique and/or products did you use to get the lower intake manifold clean? Has it been treated with a coating? TIA.
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