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Christmas has come early Gents. Guess what came in via Deustche Post today!


So... Am I correct to assume the black hose goes to the closed port of the brake resoivoir? And the bottom of the cylinder is hard line going to the slave cylinder mounted to the throw out bearing of the assembly on the manual transmission? (More pics and install to come on my rebuild thread)
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Wow coukd this be the first 5speed conversion documented online ??!
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Wow coukd this be the first 5speed conversion documented online ??!


It has irked me so much knowing that people have these cars as a 5 speed and that there is little mention of it happening or documentation for duplication I figure I would be that guy and share my YES! Moments as well as my uh oh's and document it as best I can. Now I need pull up a chair with the peachparts guys with users CTH350 and OM616, who have been developing a flywheel to work with the M117/M119 and possibly M120 applications, the adapter plate is also being developed as well, but with only 2/3 guys interested in M120 mating, M117/M119 has been moving, slow but moving

Btw they are considering ditching the old 265 and going Getrag 420G 6 speed
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I've been offered two 5 speed gearboxes, but turned them both down even after driving Henric's SL. I loved it, but really didn't want to do the whole conversion bit. It is a fun drive tho.
Hi, maybe I'm late to the party but... Are there any contacts out there for the Getrag 5-speed conversion? I have a Euro 560SEC 300hp and am anxious to upgrade!

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Hi, maybe I'm late to the party but... Are there any contacts out there for the Getrag 5-speed conversion? I have a Euro 560SEC 300hp and am anxious to upgrade!

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You're going to be doing your own research. Two folks in the US offered to do the swap, but the cost was upwards of $10000, much of that apparently going to the development and casting of a bellhousing.

The G265 that you would use is becoming rarer as the years go on. A TKO500 would be a great choice. The world class T5 may work too, but you'd be at its theoretical limits.

Bellhousing is a simple solution; simply take a toasted automatic and cut the bellhousing off and make an adapter plate. I know this works because we've done that for a Mazda Miata to adapt a T5.







With the successful adaptation, I feel confident in doing this myself on my car. It's just a matter of time of getting going. The only other real conflict is the flywheel, but I'm sure a solution can be engineered.
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what about a manual from an e24 bmw, would that fit

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That is the aforementioned G265.

It will fit once a proper bellhousing is created.

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Interesting - I have been told that a more suitable box good to go for these days that is not hard to source is -

Nissan 350Z model dates between 2003 to 2006
Engine VQ35DE
Trans - 6 speed VQ35 / cdo#1


First Gear Ratio (:1):3.79
Second Gear Ratio (:1):2.32
Third Gear Ratio (:1):1.62
Fourth Gear Ratio (:1):1.27
Fifth Gear Ratio (:1):1.00
Sixth Gear Ratio (:1):0.79
Reverse Ratio (:1):3.45
Final Drive Axle Ratio (:1):3.54

Perhaps worth investigating if your keen to explore a swap, but again all the issues of custom work required


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Interesting - I have been told that a more suitable box good to go for these days that is not hard to source is -

Nissan 350Z model dates between 2003 to 2006
Engine VQ35DE
Trans - 6 speed VQ35 / cdo#1


First Gear Ratio (:1):3.79
Second Gear Ratio (:1):2.32
Third Gear Ratio (:1):1.62
Fourth Gear Ratio (:1):1.27
Fifth Gear Ratio (:1):1.00
Sixth Gear Ratio (:1):0.79
Reverse Ratio (:1):3.45
Final Drive Axle Ratio (:1):3.54

Perhaps worth investigating if your keen to explore a swap, but again all the issues of custom work required
I actually have one of those transmissions at the shop right now, but it is slated to go with the VQ35 into a 280Z, which I wish would have been left the way it was.

I recall at some point seeing a bellhousing on eBay for that very box, but I don't believe it's out there anymore. It was meant for the M117/M119.

Again, the bellhousing is a rather simple prospect, it's the flywheel that's an issue. Driveshafts can be measured for and made fairly inexpensively.

I've read over on PP about using a Ford Modular flywheel with the ring gear from a 3.5 affixed to it, but I believe that's for use with a T5.

A company called Rennsport in the UK offers a Flywheel and bellhousing kit for the C230K 6-speed for the M117.

I am actually going to email them again and see if the flywheel would be a good fit for the TKO500, in which case I'd simply purchase their flywheel and get an appropriate clutch kit and go from there.

Just to further the proof of concept, here is the T5 in the MSM Miata with a custom aluminum crossmember that we've since redesigned:



Shifter placement:



The car ran and drove great, and the 5-speed ratios are better suited to the car than the factory 6-speed. The OD ratio really brings cruising RPMs down significantly at speed, which makes for a more quiet and smooth ride.

Unfortunately, the rear end on this MSM was on it's way out and has subsequently given up the ghost! A replacement has been sourced but we haven't swapped it in yet.
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Hi, maybe I'm late to the party but... Are there any contacts out there for the Getrag 5-speed conversion? I have a Euro 560SEC 300hp and am anxious to upgrade!

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Please click 'User CP' and add location to your profile.
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