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Lower ball joint replacement

Well some say it's rocket science requiring expensive tools while others demonstrate that it can be done by brute force : bang out the old,press in the new ...
In your experience, can it be done with the control arm in place but supported by a safe jack and proper banging on the old joint ?

Any chance of the spring coming out ?

I need real life experience and tips here

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I have done this job twice; both lower ball joints on an '88 and both lowers on an '89. Both cases I pulled the LCA and used a hammer and socket arrangement to knock out the ball joint and hammer in the new one. I simply don't see the logic in making the job more dangerous or difficult by doing it in place. Rent a Klann spring compressor if you don't own one.
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Cant find Klann tools for rent in France...are the low cost asiatic ersatz any good ?

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This is the ONE easy job on 4Matics...three bolts, fifteen minutes ea side....lol.

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Cant find Klann tools for rent in France...are the low cost asiatic ersatz any good ?

Denis
As long as the clones replicate the original design and their metallurgy isn't crap. In the States if you rent the Klann....paying for shipping both ways and the rental itself go a long way toward paying for new. Thank the carriers for that.......


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Indie in Paris wants 500€ in OEM parts, including a wheel alignment...But it will be done right because the indie shop is filled with ex-Mercedes mechanics...should a few hundred less IMHO but ... since I have no control on the metallurgy of the clone tools, it's not worth the risk...

Besides i'll put new Bilsteins in before...

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PS the Klann tool from Germany costs about 1100€, I'll only use it twice, makes no sense to me

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There was a thread around here, or maybe it was over in the peachparts diesel forum, that showed you which Chinese clones of the Klann Compressor were good, and which were dangerous and should be avoided.

They are not all equal, be careful.
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Bear in mind there are two ways to use the Klann spring compressor when preparing to remove or unload a spring. One is to install the Klann device and crank it turn after turn until you have compressed the spring. I've never done it this way and estimate you will be cranking for some time against the spring to compress it. Not that easy but it works. The other way is to insert the upper and lower Klann plates and to use a floor jack to raise the LCA (thereby compressing the spring) until the car begins to come off the jack stands. Then you insert the threaded Klann shaft and put maybe three turns on it before the spring is short enough to come right out.

To do this you put the jack under the rotor and lift the car that way. If the jack was actually under the LCA you couldn't insert the Klann shaft
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The tool I bought was made by Baum. I got it 7 or 8 years ago and paid $200 for it. Baum wants $700 for the same tool today Not sure if its better or if its not, but that is a pretty steep price increase.

This one, on ebay, has got to be a joke. Look at the defects in the metal - would you trust this device?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Telescopic-...b474af90f166f9

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