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Replacement springs/shocks for W111 '64 220SEb Coupe

I've been trying to find some replacement springs and shocks that would work for front & rear for my W111 1964 220SEb Coupe. Has anyone had any experience with any they'd recommend? It looks like the Bilstein B3 36-235209 might work for the rear according to Pelican Parts, but not sure if that is legit. Appreciate any help in advance!
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I've been trying to find some replacement springs and shocks that would work for front & rear for my W111 1964 220SEb Coupe. Has anyone had any experience with any they'd recommend? It looks like the Bilstein B3 36-235209 might work for the rear according to Pelican Parts, but not sure if that is legit. Appreciate any help in advance!
Have you checked with Mercedes? That's not a good number for Bilstein, either. At least not checking their online catalog.

Give me your VIN and I'll check if you like. I was able to buy springs for my 1965 W111 sedan both front and back earlier this year from the dealer. The rear springs were out of stock for a short time, but they replenished stock and they were available for purchase.

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Oh! Yeah, would greatly appreciate the help! I never remember what the VIN vs. Chasis No. is, so here are all the full-14 numbers:
111 021 10 072609

Do you just call up the local Mercedes dealership or is there a specific one you use? Thanks for the help, this is great to hear that they're not hard to come by as originally iamgined. How much for a full set did it end up running?

On the topic, did you find a full bushing set to re-do the front-end? Looking to replace all the old worn out rubber while I'm replacing springs/shocks.

Thanks again!

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You'll need to verify these numbers and fitment with the Classic Center, ([email protected]) who will sell the parts to you as well at a discount if you claim to be an MBCA member or something like that.

Your car, based on the VIN/chassis number, has the "second version" suspension. That means the front springs should be:

111 321 18 04 - still available through Mercedes for a little over $100/each.

111 323 00 00 - front shock absorber, NLA from Mercedes, looks like a Bilstein #24-005272

110 324 30 04 - rear spring, standard version, still available from Mercedes, around $150/each

108 320 01 31 - rear shock absorber, still available from Mercedes ($$$$) or from Bilstein as a #24-005371

If you replace springs you'll want new spring pads as well. Whoever you use to source the springs (Classic Center?) can identify the spring pads for you.

The front end doesn't have "rubber", so to speak. It's a king pin suspension. You'll want a sway bar bushing kit, which you can get from Alex in Germany:

https://www.mbclassics.de/repair-kit...w111-220bsbseb

Understand that his prices reflect a VAT that people outside the EU don't pay, so if you set up an account on his website (which costs nothing to do) you'll see prices reflect your actual cost in $EU without the VAT. VAT is around 20%, so the difference is substantial. Shipping will cost about $40, but his stuff is very high quality and it's still cheaper than buying it from Mercedes. He also ships very fast - it's not uncommon to place an order on Monday or Tuesday and have your stuff by the end of the week.

You can do front subframe mounts, too, but be prepared for a major undertaking if you do. This involves dropping the front suspension while supporting the engine, which can be tricky.

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The generosity of this forum amazes me. Thank's so much for taking the time to write all that information out, it is incredibly helpful. Will let you know how it all goes as soon as I finish restoring all of these wood dash panels that are driving me semi-crazy!
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The generosity of this forum amazes me. Thank's so much for taking the time to write all that information out, it is incredibly helpful. Will let you know how it all goes as soon as I finish restoring all of these wood dash panels that are driving me semi-crazy!
You're welcome.

Half the battle is having the information. Unless you have the original service manuals, you wouldn't have the 5 pages of tables that outline what springs/shocks/spring pad spacers are correct for your car. Go to a dealer with this and their eyes will just glaze over... that's why you should talk to the Classic Center for this sort of information.

What's difficult about refinishing the wood trim? I just finished restoring all of the wood in my 220SEb sedan recently. Time consuming, yes, but not difficult to do. You can see it on my blog for the car at:

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Just time consuming stripping all the old cracked varnish. Especially this speaker grill
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Just time consuming stripping all the old cracked varnish. Especially this speaker grill
Understood. If you use some high powered stripper it comes off quite easily and usually in one or two applications. We're lucky with our cars, as the wood trim is solid wood, not veneered like later models. That stuff is paper thin and very difficult to work with without damaging it.

I use Rustoleum Aircraft Stripper - wicked stuff. It will take the original varnish off in one or two applications usually.

It's getting tough to find, though. I suspect there's something in it that's being banned, as I haven't been able to find it lately, at least not in the quart cans. I just picked up a spray can of it at an Advance Auto today as a matter of fact.

On the sedan there are wood strips on the door cards that match the wood window surrounds and the dash wood. These are the last of the things I have to refinish on my car, so the spray can should get me through them.

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