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I don’t really “like” this method that is used for 5-lug wheels because it seems to me that the width of the lug hole could make a difference. For example, wouldn’t 5x112 wheels for 14x1.5 studs appear more likely to be 5x114 than 5x112 wheels for 12x1.5 studs?








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So this clears up a lot. I have the same visual as Fonzi's, the upper one, that shows the 5 lug being measured from center to center
but without the text that says it's actually to the far side. Changes everything. In case your wondering, my Grandson asked if the common
and readily available 5 x 112 rim could be easily adapted to fit an early Ford 5 x 4.5 (114.3) bolt pattern. He likes that there's so many
different rim sizes and offsets. He's a Hot Rod builder but I hope to turn him to the dark side. Any thoughts??
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So this clears up a lot. I have the same visual as Fonzi's, the upper one, that shows the 5 lug being measured from center to center

but without the text that says it's actually to the far side. Changes everything. In case your wondering, my Grandson asked if the common

and readily available 5 x 112 rim could be easily adapted to fit an early Ford 5 x 4.5 (114.3) bolt pattern. He likes that there's so many

different rim sizes and offsets. He's a Hot Rod builder but I hope to turn him to the dark side. Any thoughts??


Make sure the center bore is matched up (with hub rings if required). Wobble nuts/bolts with basically washer cones will assure that the seat doesn’t create twisting pressure on the bolts or studs.

I recently got a set of 5x114 Acura wheels for my wife’s Honda Pilot, and was really surprised at how much variety of available in 5x114. I got a great set of tires and wheels for $170. I guess that can happen with MB wheels, but it would be a smoking deal, unlike Ford and Honda products that are always out there for cheap and very plentiful.


I think trying to fit 5x114 on a 5x112 car makes a lot more sense than going the other way.

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Wow guys. 112 mm diameter circle going through the center of each lug hole. Nothing more complicated. Did I miss something here?
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Wow guys. 112 mm diameter circle going through the center of each lug hole. Nothing more complicated. Did I miss something here?


I guess so.

There’s no circle drawn on wheels to measure the 112 mm. So my critique is of the commonplace method of measuring for a 5-lug PCD, which is dependent on the size of the hole itself.


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Sorry. Does that actually work? It seems that any measurement that does not go through the center of the bore would not yield the proper boltbcirvke diameter.
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Sorry. Does that actually work? It seems that any measurement that does not go through the center of the bore would not yield the proper boltbcirvke diameter.
I cant picture it working. You would get a different answer depending on the stud diameter???
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That would be my thought roncallo. Measurements are taken on bolt-center to eliminate the need to consider the size of the bore for the bolt or stud. Otherwise it would be apples to oranges. That said, I have never taken the specific measurement mentioned to determine the diameter. I'm lazy, so I look on the rear of the wheel taken off the car. Works every time.
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That would be my thought roncallo. Measurements are taken on bolt-center to eliminate the need to consider the size of the bore for the bolt or stud. Otherwise it would be apples to oranges. That said, I have never taken the specific measurement mentioned to determine the diameter. I'm lazy, so I look on the rear of the wheel taken off the car. Works every time.
Sounds like an old close enough rule of thumb that half way work because most studs are close in diameter.
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