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post #21 of 46 (permalink) Old 01-25-2018, 06:24 PM Thread Starter
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Yup. I had a buddy who knows about these offer me $500 for all these exact parts. He had a laser focus on these dang headlights which made me suspicious enough to finally figure out the difference between euro vs. US spec parts.

Are those chrome wheel opening moldings parts of the AMG kit?

They actually match the ribbing or fluting of the lower rocker area of the body.
The chrome arches are not AMG, just aftermarket bling.

Headlights, bumpers etc. may bring some money but it depends on condition. Wheels look like Centra brand. If you find the key for the center caps people are occasionally looking for them.

If a '72 it should be a 107.43 (350SL).
So the vin is 107.44

Can it still be a 1972?
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post #22 of 46 (permalink) Old 01-25-2018, 08:48 PM
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So the vin is 107.44

Can it still be a 1972?
Build date from the data plate is 3/72 so yes it is a 1972. 107.044 makes it a North American model.

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Just for clarification 107 044 is a 450SL in North America, Australia, Europe everywhere in fact.


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So the vin is 107.44

Can it still be a 1972?
I ass u me (d) it was a Euro when I said it would be a 350SL 107.043. Only North America received the 450SL 107.044 in 1972.

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I don't think it is "real" AMG, so to speak. The mid 1980s was a time where the home grown Grey Market importer business was in full swing. An enterprising hustler could find an oil wildcatter from Oklahoma or Texas who would put up $300,000 to buy a group of used 107s in Europe; ship them to Houston; get them Federalized near the port in Houston; drive them across Houston and remove all the USA lights and emissions stuff they just installed and put the stock Euro stuff back on; buy one of the "Bandit" AMG body kits made by any of the dozen dune buggy, Corvette, or hot tub manufacturing "Fiberglass Specialists" in the region; get it painted and installed, and they could net $7,000-$10,000 each in 1985 dollars.

In fact, one of guys involved in bringing 50 of them into Oklahoma and Texas (at one time) was in my shop this morning.

Those stories sound like pure bullshit today. But the World (and rules) were different then.
There were also two AMG Franchises here in the states. No way to absolutely prove AMG provenance, in most cases, unless the owner kept the records.
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You can take the VIN to the classic center (call, email, etc) and ask where the car was originally delivered and what market it was intended for.

If you get a better picture of the rear license plate area, you can see if it has the holes for a US license plate (closer together). A euro does not have factory holes and requires an adapter or holes drilled in your license plate.

Also, I believe that US pistons are flat, while euro are scalloped for the valves. So you could scope the spark plug holes to try and determine if it has a euro or US engine.

Also, easier, I believe Euro 4.5 got the anti-squat rear end with aluminum control arms. Stamped steel are on all US models until the 560sl.


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But Mercedes own information does say only US spec 4.5 before 1973...

http://media.daimler.com/marsMediaSi...ml?oid=9271659

Edit: and I believe that b-pillar tag in reference to “federal regulations” was a US car thing. I don’t recall ever seeing that on a euro.

Edit 2: I think your username will be a “good story” now. Ironically, I’ve got what I believe is a 1972 Euro 107.043.10.xxxxxx 4-speed manual badged as a 450sl.

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Just for clarification 107 044 is a 450SL in North America, Australia, Europe everywhere in fact.


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We have discussed it many times, but for the record, many 107 044s delivered in 72 in North America were badged as 350SLs. My 72 was built in April 72, I believe. 350SL badge and all original books are 350SL. 4.5L engine and essentially same as 73 450SL.
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You could also call the early US 350sl cars (107.044) “350sl 4.5” which, yes, are identical to the 1973 450sl. Some changes that occurred are VERY minimal, and I don’t believe any of them coincided with the switch in the badge:

- chrome shifter plate on the first ~2500 (of about 7000) 107.044 in 1972 (automatics only).

- metal blower cover on early cars, not sure, maybe the first 6-7000?

- brass overflow tank on most 1972 and 1973. Late 1973 (fictionally better as you can see through it) got plastic I think.

- late 1973 got ribbed horn pads with “integrated” horn buttons instead of the early plastic buttons with metal trim rings.

- very very late 1973 cars got the clock moved to instrument cluster from the center dash vent.

- 1972 and early 1973 had two piece seat belts where the lap belt was on a retractor, and the shoulder belt could be hung on a plastic clip on the b-pillar or clipped into the lap belt. I’d have to detach it to reach the glove box or pull up the fender antenna.

Full chrome grill stars continued on through 1974, maybe even 1975. I don know exactly when they switched to plastic.

My first MB was a very early 1973 107.044.12.00.7016, made in August 1972 I believe, and the datacard said “350sl”, and it had a brass tank, plastic blower cover, separate horn buttons, two piece belts, a 450sl badge, and 450sl on the 1973 title. Apparently the switchover was July 1972.


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That’s funny. Just going off what I have been told so far. I did find both 350 & 450 emblems in the car

I’ll grab some more pics in a bit...here’s a few for now
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Ok so def . A US car...California Canadian emissions tag as well. But non dot tail lights it looks like...ac car too
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