16" Wheels - Ideal Width and Offset - Mercedes-Benz Forum
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-12-2017, 11:12 PM Thread Starter
BenzWorld Member
 
macarbon_john's Avatar
 
Date registered: Nov 2008
Vehicle: 72 350SL, 72 350 Euro, '83 500SL
Location: Belmont, CA
Posts: 68
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 23 Post(s)
(Thread Starter)
16" Wheels - Ideal Width and Offset

Hi Guys,

We've been making our 16" Bundt 3-Piece 'Replicas' for a number of months now. Our fist versions were 16x7 with an ET of 23. These were for the pre 560 cars with the more recessed brake calipers. We've since done some staggered sets of 16x7 and and 16x8 with ET20.

We've almost finalized the design of the wheel centers for the 560 (1986+) brake setup. Since we have flexibility on widths and offsets, I wanted to see what we should do our first demo set in.

I've read through all the wheel threads and know the 16x8 ET11 is most common and considered ideal for the rear. But I can't seem to figure out what is the ideal SL setup for the fronts.

Do most people want to run 8s in the front and rear or go staggered with 7 in the front and 8 in the rear? (We've not made a 9" at this point) The 560 version of the 7" ins't quite as cool looking since we have to use a 1.5" lip vs a 2" lip on the 8". But we can do both.

For offset, should the fronts be a little more 'tucked in' than the rears? So go with a higher offset? Say 18 or 20? It looks like anything from an 11 to 20 will work.

We have plenty of flexibility, I'm just wanting to do the next set in what people consider the best setup. To try to avoid any "why'd you do it that way" questions!

I PM'd Fonzi to get his opinion but wanted to see what others had to say. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks!
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_6929.jpg
Views:	345
Size:	59.9 KB
ID:	2288697   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_7279-Edit.jpg
Views:	216
Size:	79.7 KB
ID:	2288705   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_7277-Edit.jpg
Views:	177
Size:	57.2 KB
ID:	2288713   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_7289-Edit.jpg
Views:	182
Size:	57.3 KB
ID:	2288721   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_7339.jpg
Views:	172
Size:	58.5 KB
ID:	2288729  

macarbon_john is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-12-2017, 11:16 PM
Outstanding Contributor
Bob's Your Uncle!
 
nobby's Avatar
 
Date registered: Feb 2005
Vehicle: -----'83 280 SL----- 5 speed....The PIG
Location: Barrie, Ontario, CANADA, eh?
Posts: 28,975
Mentioned: 52 Post(s)
Quoted: 2387 Post(s)
I've got 16x8 Pentas ET11 front and rear.

I like the look.

There will be many different opinions, I think.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nobby View Post
Donítí ever wrestle with a pig. Youíll both get dirty, but the pig will enjoy it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rocky raccoon View Post
Soldier on Old Chap. The Pig is you and you are the Pig.




To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
nobby is offline  
post #3 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-13-2017, 05:08 AM
BenzWorld Elite
 
Fonzi's Avatar
 
Date registered: Jun 2010
Vehicle: 450slc5.0cab 280sl5sp 280se4.5 500seAMG +250seStkW108 350sl4spdX3 500secEuro
Location: Philadelphia Area
Posts: 21,598
Mentioned: 50 Post(s)
Quoted: 2348 Post(s)
Garage


This picture shows the most common fitment issue which is more of an issue with cars with the 86-89 air dam. Both of the 107ís Iíve had with the 86-89 air dam and 225/50/16 on 8x16 et11 rubbed when turning (and braking maybe to raise up the front end) in reverse. However, neither of those cars are/were actual 1986-89 cars. So maybe itís only an issue when putting an 86-89 air dam on a 1971-1985 car.

Lorinser LO for front of 560sl: 8x16 et22
Bbs RS for front of 560sl: 8x16 et21
Stock 560sl wheel: 7x15 et25
AMG wheel for 560sl: 8x16 et11



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

.


My signature:

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
If, you want 70's-80's Mercedes tuner wheels, let me know.
Fonzi is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-14-2017, 08:10 AM Thread Starter
BenzWorld Member
 
macarbon_john's Avatar
 
Date registered: Nov 2008
Vehicle: 72 350SL, 72 350 Euro, '83 500SL
Location: Belmont, CA
Posts: 68
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 23 Post(s)
(Thread Starter)
Thanks for the feedback guys. Anyone else with any suggestions?
macarbon_john is offline  
post #5 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-14-2017, 10:17 AM
BenzWorld Junior Member
 
cimedman's Avatar
 
Date registered: Oct 2011
Vehicle: 1989 560SL
Location: Southlake, Texas
Posts: 27
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Garage
16's look perfecto

I purchased this '89 560 with this beautifully refurbished wheels off a newer Benz. But 18" is just too gangsta-looking for me. So I am hunting some nice 16" of the 15-hole style. (is it 15? guess I should count my original spare tire holes). Mine just don't look right. Where are those being sold?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20170721_194319.jpg
Views:	97
Size:	56.4 KB
ID:	2289481   Click image for larger version

Name:	20171013_105917_resized.jpg
Views:	113
Size:	40.7 KB
ID:	2289489  
cimedman is offline  
post #6 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-14-2017, 11:48 AM
BenzWorld Elite
 
Fonzi's Avatar
 
Date registered: Jun 2010
Vehicle: 450slc5.0cab 280sl5sp 280se4.5 500seAMG +250seStkW108 350sl4spdX3 500secEuro
Location: Philadelphia Area
Posts: 21,598
Mentioned: 50 Post(s)
Quoted: 2348 Post(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by cimedman View Post
... So I am hunting some nice 16" of the 15-hole style.


Two options I am aware of:
- Lorinser LO (various widths and offsets, but hard to find, and usually chrome or expensive)
- 8x16 et34 r129 wheels aka ďevo1Ē wheels, ideally with 15-25mm hubcentric spacers.
Chicky and cimedman like this.

.


My signature:

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
If, you want 70's-80's Mercedes tuner wheels, let me know.
Fonzi is offline  
post #7 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-14-2017, 12:28 PM Thread Starter
BenzWorld Member
 
macarbon_john's Avatar
 
Date registered: Nov 2008
Vehicle: 72 350SL, 72 350 Euro, '83 500SL
Location: Belmont, CA
Posts: 68
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 23 Post(s)
(Thread Starter)
Not quite the feedback I was looking for.. but I do have two sets of the EVO1 wheels

Quote:
Originally Posted by cimedman View Post
I purchased this '89 560 with this beautifully refurbished wheels off a newer Benz. But 18" is just too gangsta-looking for me. So I am hunting some nice 16" of the 15-hole style. (is it 15? guess I should count my original spare tire holes). Mine just don't look right. Where are those being sold?
Not quite the feedback I was looking for but.... I like the EVO1 wheels myself. Oh... and I have a few sets available!

Mercedes no longer makes/sells the 16" R129 300SL wheels. They have been NLA for a while. I know... I tried to order them! They do pop up on eBay once in a while for about $600 a set in used condition.

I picked up two refurbished sets a while back and have them available. I was going to put them on one of my cars but since we are making our 16' bundts....


A few pics show a comparison between the 16" and 15" holes.

As Fonzi said, keep in mind you need to budget for some spacers and longer wheel studs.

Feel free to PM me if interested.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_2826.jpg
Views:	104
Size:	56.2 KB
ID:	2289537   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_2819.jpg
Views:	110
Size:	57.1 KB
ID:	2289545   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_2816.jpg
Views:	115
Size:	79.0 KB
ID:	2289553   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_2815.jpg
Views:	129
Size:	51.1 KB
ID:	2289561   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_2813.jpg
Views:	107
Size:	47.6 KB
ID:	2289569  

Chicky and cimedman like this.

Last edited by rowdie; 10-14-2017 at 12:47 PM. Reason: For sale ad link deleted
macarbon_john is offline  
post #8 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-14-2017, 12:37 PM
Outstanding Contributor
 
roncallo's Avatar
 
Date registered: Apr 2005
Vehicle: 1986 560SL with M120 V12 Engine, 1988 560SL Stock
Location: NC
Posts: 9,520
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Quoted: 297 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by macarbon_john View Post
Hi Guys,

We've been making our 16" Bundt 3-Piece 'Replicas' for a number of months now. Our fist versions were 16x7 with an ET of 23. These were for the pre 560 cars with the more recessed brake calipers. We've since done some staggered sets of 16x7 and and 16x8 with ET20.

We've almost finalized the design of the wheel centers for the 560 (1986+) brake setup. Since we have flexibility on widths and offsets, I wanted to see what we should do our first demo set in.

I've read through all the wheel threads and know the 16x8 ET11 is most common and considered ideal for the rear. But I can't seem to figure out what is the ideal SL setup for the fronts.

Do most people want to run 8s in the front and rear or go staggered with 7 in the front and 8 in the rear? (We've not made a 9" at this point) The 560 version of the 7" ins't quite as cool looking since we have to use a 1.5" lip vs a 2" lip on the 8". But we can do both.

For offset, should the fronts be a little more 'tucked in' than the rears? So go with a higher offset? Say 18 or 20? It looks like anything from an 11 to 20 will work.

We have plenty of flexibility, I'm just wanting to do the next set in what people consider the best setup. To try to avoid any "why'd you do it that way" questions!

I PM'd Fonzi to get his opinion but wanted to see what others had to say. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks!
Once you go to an 8" wheel deviating from 11mm ET becomes a problem at both extreme bounce or steering angle. There is a reason AMG chose the 16 x 8 x11. And I also understand AMG rolled there fenders. Most have gotten away without that. The rears will take up to 10" with the right offset unfortunately I don't know what that offset is but would have to be somewhere near zero.

I had 18" x 8.5/9.5 stagger wheels from an AMG 129. You can get away with a wider wheel if its a bigger diameter because the lower profile tires don't bell out. But 8" is as far as I would consider in a 16" diameter wheel.
roncallo is offline  
post #9 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-15-2017, 11:45 PM Thread Starter
BenzWorld Member
 
macarbon_john's Avatar
 
Date registered: Nov 2008
Vehicle: 72 350SL, 72 350 Euro, '83 500SL
Location: Belmont, CA
Posts: 68
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 23 Post(s)
(Thread Starter)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fonzi View Post


This picture shows the most common fitment issue which is more of an issue with cars with the 86-89 air dam. Both of the 107ís Iíve had with the 86-89 air dam and 225/50/16 on 8x16 et11 rubbed when turning (and braking maybe to raise up the front end) in reverse. However, neither of those cars are/were actual 1986-89 cars. So maybe itís only an issue when putting an 86-89 air dam on a 1971-1985 car.

Lorinser LO for front of 560sl: 8x16 et22
Bbs RS for front of 560sl: 8x16 et21
Stock 560sl wheel: 7x15 et25
AMG wheel for 560sl: 8x16 et11

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I like that both the Lorinser LO and BBS were ET21 and ET22. What was the rear ET for those FOnzi??
macarbon_john is offline  
post #10 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-16-2017, 05:03 AM
BenzWorld Elite
 
Fonzi's Avatar
 
Date registered: Jun 2010
Vehicle: 450slc5.0cab 280sl5sp 280se4.5 500seAMG +250seStkW108 350sl4spdX3 500secEuro
Location: Philadelphia Area
Posts: 21,598
Mentioned: 50 Post(s)
Quoted: 2348 Post(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by macarbon_john View Post
I like that both the Lorinser LO and BBS were ET21 and ET22. What was the rear ET for those FOnzi??


Of course you could use the same wheels on all four corners, but both BBS and Lorinser also offered 8x16 et11 just like AMG. They both offered wider options too...

Lorinser LO:
9x16 et10

BBS RS:
9x16 et11 rs078
10x16 et11 rs058

but I think AMGís wider options were only for widebody cars:
9x16 et0
10x16 et-12?

One thing worth noting is that AMGís options always kept the backspace about the same and all the wheel was added on the outside, not the inside. Front wheel topics like the scrub radius favor keeping the backspace the same, not increasing it like the Lorinser and BBS front options do, but if you donít increase the tire tread width from stock, those et21/22 offsets are actually lower that stock, meaning there would not be any problems with scrub radius with 205 tires, and going to to 225 tires on those Lorinser and BBS wheels should only increase the amount of tread on the inside by 6-7mm (and adding 13-14 on the outside) which I think is acceptable. (8x16 et11 with 225 tires basically puts the whole added 20 mm on the outside when comparing to the stock 205/65/15 on et25.)

TMI?

You asked.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

.


My signature:

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
If, you want 70's-80's Mercedes tuner wheels, let me know.
Fonzi is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Roadster Forums > R/C107 SL/SLC Class

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Mercedes-Benz Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 

Title goes here

close
video goes here
description goes here. Read Full Story
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome