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An ICE detainer request is a form or notice sent to law enforcement agencies alerting them that ICE wants custody of the person the local agency has jailed. A section of Homeland Security regulation empowers "an authorized immigration officer" to issue detainers to any law enforcement agency. The detainers ask the local agency to alert ICE that the person of interest will be released at least 48 hours before it happens.

But, as a writer for the Lawfare blog pointed out in 2017, most courts have ruled that detainer compliance is voluntary. A list of related court decisions can be found on the website for the Immigrant Legal Resource Center, an immigrant advocacy group.

An ICE detainer request "carries no legal force and does not authorize state and local officials to hold anyone in custody — it is not an arrest warrant and does not provide probable cause for arrest," Anil Kalhan, a law professor at the Thomas R. Kline School of Law at Drexel University, told PolitiFact in November. Kalhan’s statement echoes several federal court rulings.

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I'd be ok with ICE having no warrant requirements for netting illegals wanted for crimes.
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You must have an uncanny ability to tell who is here without documents by simply looking at people.

Luckily, the constitution is in your way.
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You must have an uncanny ability to tell who is here without documents by simply looking at people.

Luckily, the constitution is in your way.


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Yeah, papers please society.

We already live in a police state so we need more fascists running the country.

Fuck ICE. that's a setup for a joke if I've ever seen one.
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You must have an uncanny ability to tell who is here without documents by simply looking at people.

Luckily, the constitution is in your way.
Not really, unless you think illegals have Constitutional rights. Oh, shit, I bet you do. So much for public education.
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Not really, unless you think illegals have Constitutional rights. Oh, shit, I bet you do.
Certain ones, yes; there is no "citizen" specification in certain parts of the Bill of Rights. One example demonstrating this is the trial of Standing Bear v. Crook, in which the US Government argued that Native Americans were, "not persons within the meaning of the law" and thus not entitled to things like habeas corpus and such. Judge Dundy ruled that in fact, Native Americare are indeed "persons" within the meaning of the law and thus do possess those rights. Since Native Americans were not generally considered "US citizens" back then, this matters.

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The key here is, "following the laws". By definition, of course, illegal immigrants are not following the laws that say that one must come here, and be here, within the law. With that said, I wonder if the simple act of being here illegally deprives one of "certain unalienable rights", i. e. the right to a speedy trial, Miranda, habeus corpus, all that. IANAL, but from what I can see, it does not.

Just as big a question here is the one that GreenT pointed out. How do you tell by sight if a person is here legally or not?

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So much for public education.
Indeed, because I learned the above in public schools. :-)
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Not really, unless you think illegals have Constitutional rights. Oh, shit, I bet you do. So much for public education.

cowboyt saved me a whole lot of typing. Now answer the question.
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If ICE is only enforcing immigration law as enacted by Congress and considered Constitutionally valid by the courts, and only using the tools legally allowed to them, why aren't we demanding that the laws be changed?

It seems glaringly obvious to me. If you're outraged that ICE is abusing the rights of both legal and illegal residents, then Congress needs to change immigration law to limit what ICE is permitted to do.

I'd personally support Congress doing away with quotas and arbitrary restrictions entirely, considering they're largely uninterested in enforcing the existing laws. American immigration policy has been, for a very long time, accepting the fact that about one million foreigners successfully sneak into the country and remain here illegally to live abd work underground. That's insane. Since we're obviously not going to enforce these laes, let's just get rid of them, akready.
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